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Old September 24 2013, 10:41 AM   #31
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Re: Timeline branching going forward *spoilers*

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Unless, from TOS' perspective, those changes were always a part of history.
From the in-universe standpoint, there's absolutely 0 evidence to support that, whilst evidence to the contrary is there in abundance.
I don't recall any TOS, Next Gen or DS9 episodes where the gravity was freaking out or any of the other associated weirdness, indicating there was no Delphic Expanse. I also remember a couple of direct crossovers with TOS in "In a Mirror, Darkly" and TNG in "These are the Voyages". Conclusion? One timeline, and no Expanse because it was destroyed in "Zero Hour". Anything else requires bending over backwards to dismiss the above ("Those were alternate but VERY similar timelines too...honest!" etc)
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Old September 24 2013, 12:11 PM   #32
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This is not a new timeline, it's the prime timeline that was affected by Nero's incursion.
Actually, it IS a new timeline. It branches off from the prime one, but doesn't replace it.
Please provide a canon reference or any evidence in ST09 that corroberates that.
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Old September 24 2013, 12:56 PM   #33
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"alternate reality" is used in "In a Mirror, Darkly" by T'Pol to refer to the prime universe, a concurrently existing timeline to the mirror one.
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Old September 24 2013, 03:00 PM   #34
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Re: Timeline branching going forward *spoilers*

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This is not a new timeline, it's the prime timeline that was affected by Nero's incursion.
Actually, it IS a new timeline. It branches off from the prime one, but doesn't replace it.
Please provide a canon reference or any evidence in ST09 that corroberates that.
The writers of the film have said so. That's good enough for me.
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Old September 24 2013, 03:33 PM   #35
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Re: Timeline branching going forward *spoilers*

Also "Parallels" quite explicitly demonstrates the existence of alternate timelines.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:48 PM   #36
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Also "Parallels" quite explicitly demonstrates the existence of alternate timelines.
But it also explicitly demonstrates the possibility of traveling between them, which in Orci's interpretation of multiverses isn't possible. In Trek, that is. Fringe is a whole different story.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:50 PM   #37
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Howso? Spock and Nero travel between them.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:52 PM   #38
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Howso? Spock and Nero travel between them.
They do not. Nero creates it, Spock follows him through the same portal (black hole), and it's a one way trip.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:53 PM   #39
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You still haven't answered my question. What proof do you have?
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Howso? Spock and Nero travel between them.
They do not. Nero creates it, Spock follows him through the same portal (black hole), and it's a one way trip.
I don't recall anyone saying at any point that Spock and Nero couldn't possibly return to their timeline of origination. It would likely be extremely difficult of course.

Heck, for all we know the Red Matter hole created at the end of the film leads back to the Primeline.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:13 PM   #41
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Orci himself said it, IIRC. Doesn't make it canon, but that wasn't my point in the first place.

Heck, for all we know the Red Matter hole created at the end of the film leads back to the Primeline.
Uhm... It's a black hole. It sucks stuff in. One way. Not even light can escape its pull once the event horizon is reached... Or something.

What proof do you have?
A TV show, called Star Trek (The Original Series).
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Old September 24 2013, 05:14 PM   #42
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Actually, it IS a new timeline. It branches off from the prime one, but doesn't replace it.
Please provide a canon reference or any evidence in ST09 that corroberates that.
The writers of the film have said so. That's good enough for me.
OKIE-DOKIE...

They've said Khan was a white brit, Carol Marcus had a doctorate in applied physics specializing in advanced weaponry and was a Star Fleet Officer, you can travel through a black hole and tribbles can come back to life too.

Not good enough for me.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:17 PM   #43
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Howso? Spock and Nero travel between them.
Between nothing.

They traveled back in time, in the origional timeline. The only timeline.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:18 PM   #44
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They traveled back in time, in the origional timeline. The only timeline.
C'mon Yanksy, you know better than this.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:28 PM   #45
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They traveled back in time, in the origional timeline. The only timeline.
C'mon Yanksy, you know better than this.
Sorry, it's true.
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