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Old September 22 2013, 02:27 PM   #16
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

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This come from reading the "Favorite Trek Couple" thread.
I can't find this thread. Where is it?

To answer your question, though, I think it was a combination of things: he wanted the Enterprise; he wanted to be with Deanna, maybe for the first time in his life he was enjoying where he was rather than aiming at the next big thing. The question largely remains unanswered, even in the one conversation they address it. When Will and Deanna are discussing what he wants in BOBW, they still don't come to a conclusion other than he obviuously wants to be on the Enterprirse or doesn't want to be a captain at that time.
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Old September 22 2013, 04:45 PM   #17
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

T'Girl, you may be onto something.

I agree with others that Riker was probably holding out for the Enterprise for a while, but that may've not just been it. It appears that many of the vessels he was offered were, um, lesser; the best that I recall him ever being offered was the Melbourne which was either Excelsior or Nebula class depending on your religion, and neither is as prestigious as the Enterprise.

Allusions Riker made to how he belonged on the Enteprise also seem to suggest to me that perhaps Riker was coming to believe that something was missing from his life, and that perhaps his ambitions were not completely fulfilling him in the way he expected. Perhaps he was failing to realize that part of the reason for this was being around Deanna, and remembering how he felt for her?

With Deanna at his side, perhaps he finally felt like he could get his career back on track and accepted the Titan when it was offered. I can't help but wonder if he was willing to accept the next ship that came along, rather than holding out for a Galaxy or Sovereign. Or, perhaps he needed to serve on a smaller ship before being ever offered one of those.
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Old September 22 2013, 05:07 PM   #18
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

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Well if you like we can go with one of Picard's speeches

The first duty of every Starfleetofficer is to the truth... be it scientific truth, historical truth, or personal truth. It is the guiding principle upon which Starfleet is based. If you cannot find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened... you do not deserve to wear that uniform.
Yes, I do like it.

Essentially he delivered a shorter version at the end of "The Pegasus":

Riker: I can't help but feel I should have come forward a long time ago.
Picard: When the moment came to make a decision, you made the right one. You chose to tell the truth and face the consequences. So long as you can still do that, then you deserve to wear that uniform. And I will still be proud to have you as my First Officer.

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Old September 22 2013, 05:51 PM   #19
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That may have damaged his command prospects more than anything else. Might explain why he stays with the Enterprise crew even after the loss of the D.
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Old September 22 2013, 05:51 PM   #20
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

That or letting the Ferengi capture the Enterprise-D on his watch.
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Old September 22 2013, 09:21 PM   #21
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That or letting the Ferengi capture the Enterprise-D on his watch.
And it didn't look good that a few "kids" captured it back.
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Old September 23 2013, 07:58 AM   #22
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

I don't think Riker was cut out to be a Captain (at least, not at that age). He just wasn't mature enough, and he tended to have trouble dealing with new people. That's not somebody I would want handling first contact situations.

I think the situation with Jellico was a good test. Riker failed that test in just about every way.
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Old September 23 2013, 02:42 PM   #23
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If I recall, Riker turned down the USS Drake (Arsenal of Freedom) before being assigned to the Enterprise. I don't think it was the Enterprise...well I think it may have been when the Melborne was offered to him.
If memory serves he was offered the Drake, Aries and the Melbourne throughout the series.

Despite the prestige of serving on E-D, he'd eventually get overlooked.
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Old September 23 2013, 03:39 PM   #24
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

In the real world, surely only experienced Captains command aircraft carriers, having to start out on smaller vessels first, even if they were just the XO of an aircraft carrier?
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Old September 23 2013, 09:04 PM   #25
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Re: Why no Captain Riker.

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T'Girl wrote: View Post
This come from reading the "Favorite Trek Couple" thread.
I can't find this thread. Where is it?

To answer your question, though, I think it was a combination of things: he wanted the Enterprise; he wanted to be with Deanna, maybe for the first time in his life he was enjoying where he was rather than aiming at the next big thing. The question largely remains unanswered, even in the one conversation they address it. When Will and Deanna are discussing what he wants in BOBW, they still don't come to a conclusion other than he obviuously wants to be on the Enterprirse or doesn't want to be a captain at that time.
It was something I brought up in that thread. I mentioned that if I was Deanna I'd be pissed at Riker. He broke up with her because his career was the most important thing to him, but then he turned down every opportunity for advancement

I think he said his reasoning was that it was bette to be the first officer on the Flagship then a captain of some random ship
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Old September 23 2013, 09:47 PM   #26
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Probably safer too.

Did I imagine it, or was there a line in "Death Wish" where Riker mentions he turned down command of the Voyager? Geez, wonder what a VGR spearheaded by Riker would have been like.
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Old September 23 2013, 10:23 PM   #27
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If he was waiting for Picard to give it up, he didn't know the man very well. This was the same guy who spent more than twenty years commanding the Stargazer, after all.
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Old September 24 2013, 12:24 AM   #28
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Riker should've realized that getting a prime command would look better if he had been captain for a number of years on a smaller ship. Which yeah... Picard was captain of Stargazer for years before he got the flagship.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:15 AM   #29
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I think Riker deserves his own ship, if not his own FLEET of ships, after Best of Both Worlds. I can't imagine there are many other starfleet officers who can put "saved earth from the Borg" on their resume. And he did it with a first officer who hated him.

So if he wants to chill out for a while, I wouldn't hold it against him. After all, who exactly would he be getting passed over for, that would be more qualified than Riker? All the experience he gets on the Enterprise is valuable.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:19 AM   #30
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And if he had taken a ship right after BoBW he probably would've gotten the next Galaxy class out of the shipyards. But Riker's stock went down a lot in the last four seasons.
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