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Old September 21 2013, 07:39 PM   #46
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Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?

Well to each his own. I rather not argue it any futher, I'm trying to make friends with you all. (though I do have arguments like these with my friends as well) But you just posted some very strong evidence though.

On the Brewery issue, I don't even thing theres room for that thing on a 700m starship. Its pretty darn big. But as I said before, Exterior/interior sizes seem to have always been a problem in Star Trek (as I referenced before, the refit shuttlebay in STII).

I was thinking though, if we got these new side launchers, how come there are no new side phaser banks to go with them?
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Old September 21 2013, 07:41 PM   #47
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Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?

Okay, enough.

The Starship Size Argument™ thread was created in the first place because the starship size argument was constantly hijacking and derailing other threads. Take the discussion and all the diagrams there, or leave off, but in this thread it stops now.
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Old September 21 2013, 08:15 PM   #48
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Well to each his own. I rather not argue it any futher, I'm trying to make friends with you all. (though I do have arguments like these with my friends as well) But you just posted some very strong evidence though.
No worries. I try not to take anything said here personally and hope you have a good time on the BBS. This ship size thing is probably the most bitterly argued subject on this forum, goofy a subject as it is.
On the Brewery issue, I don't even thing theres room for that thing on a 700m starship. Its pretty darn big. But as I said before, Exterior/interior sizes seem to have always been a problem in Star Trek (as I referenced before, the refit shuttlebay in STII).
I'd love to superimpose a floorplan of that brewery over the Enterprise, and find out if that's true or not. I suspect it might just about fit... but not with that high ceiling seen when Scotty and Kirk are saved by Chekov
I was thinking though, if we got these new side launchers, how come there are no new side phaser banks to go with them?
I say more hatches would open up, with phasers and whatever else is needed behind them.


Apologies for the derailment, M'!
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Old September 23 2013, 03:47 PM   #49
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Since we're talking about weapons....

...I didn't like how..."puny" the weapons sound compared to the ungodly amounts of damage they APPEARED to be doing. Compare to WOK where no shields means serious business.

Not a fan of the 'death by a thousand paper-cut' phasers and torpedoes.
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Old September 23 2013, 04:02 PM   #50
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Isn't "death by a thousand papercuts" exactly how the TWOK phasers worked, as opposed to the traditional solid beams or even the Defiant's pulse phasers?
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Old September 23 2013, 04:06 PM   #51
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I thought the nuTrek phasers pretty much were the same as those in WoK, only with a fuckton of banks firing at once instead of just one or two (and that brings me to - why on Earth didn't the Reliant and Enterprise fire all-out at each other in the same way the Enterprise-D did at the Borg or the Enterprise did at the Narada in the '09 movie?)
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Old September 23 2013, 04:18 PM   #52
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I thought the nuTrek phasers pretty much were the same as those in WoK, only with a fuckton of banks firing at once instead of just one or two (and that brings me to - why on Earth didn't the Reliant and Enterprise fire all-out at each other in the same way the Enterprise-D did at the Borg or the Enterprise did at the Narada in the '09 movie?)
Well, Khan was holding back at the beginning of WOK. Then afterwards we could argue that either the technology or the damage kept them from doing so.

Also for pacing and suspense reasons, I prefer the usage in WOK. I just think it works better than ST:ID's "BLIPBLIPBLIPBLIP"

Not a dealbreaker though.
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Old September 23 2013, 08:56 PM   #53
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My reaction to the side torpedo bay doors opening.... "Arrrrrrrrrr.... we be at broadsides, cap'm!"
And the moral of the story turns out to be:

Do not take Star Trek too seriously.

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Since we're talking about weapons....

...I didn't like how..."puny" the weapons sound compared to the ungodly amounts of damage they APPEARED to be doing. Compare to WOK where no shields means serious business.

Not a fan of the 'death by a thousand paper-cut' phasers and torpedoes.
If you consider that ships in this universe seem to be able to use their phasers as point defense weapons and shoot down enemy torpedoes, it may be the case that saturation attacks (12 to 18 torpedoes at a time) would be neccesary to score a hit at all). This seems to be the one advantage Narada had: it could fire a single torpedo that immediately launched 10 smaller ones, confusing the hell out of the ship's defenses.

Also: this thread needs more SCREENCAPS. Someone, anybody... SCREENCAPS!
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Old September 24 2013, 01:20 AM   #54
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I thought the nuTrek phasers pretty much were the same as those in WoK, only with a fuckton of banks firing at once instead of just one or two (and that brings me to - why on Earth didn't the Reliant and Enterprise fire all-out at each other in the same way the Enterprise-D did at the Borg or the Enterprise did at the Narada in the '09 movie?)
Answer: Studio Budget.

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Isn't "death by a thousand papercuts" exactly how the TWOK phasers worked, as opposed to the traditional solid beams or even the Defiant's pulse phasers?
I LOVE the phaser effects in TWOK. There's something truly viscerally satisfying about the staggered fire pattern and way they slice relentlessly through hull plating (and presumably people). I'd like to know why we NEVER see Kirk fire phasers on the big screen before OR after TWOK.
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Old September 24 2013, 06:52 AM   #55
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I LOVE the phaser effects in TWOK. There's something truly viscerally satisfying about the staggered fire pattern and way they slice relentlessly through hull plating (and presumably people). I'd like to know why we NEVER see Kirk fire phasers on the big screen before OR after TWOK.
He tries on two occasions but is stopped. In TMP it would have, like, blown up the ship. The second time, in TSFS, the Enterprise craps the bed. (After Kruge fires his screwed up torpedo and blows up the automation center.)

"Emergency power! We've got to return fire. Mr. Scott can you transfer power to the phaser banks?"

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Old September 24 2013, 12:53 PM   #56
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I thought the nuTrek phasers pretty much were the same as those in WoK, only with a fuckton of banks firing at once instead of just one or two (and that brings me to - why on Earth didn't the Reliant and Enterprise fire all-out at each other in the same way the Enterprise-D did at the Borg or the Enterprise did at the Narada in the '09 movie?)
Answer: Studio Budget.
I doubt ILM charge per beam. Two or ten, it should all be the same.
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Old September 24 2013, 06:30 PM   #57
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I doubt ILM charge per beam. Two or ten, it should all be the same.
Of course ILM charged "per beam". Those are man-hours of labour for some animator, in an era pre-dating sophisticated CGI (where the difference between two or ten is a stroke of the keyboard).
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Old September 24 2013, 07:49 PM   #58
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I love how every single shot in TWOK actually mattered, and each shot did severe damage to an unshielded starship.. which is why Meyer made it so that very few shots actually hit in total. I think their "burning" through the hull really worked.

I think the Nu Enterprise would have been destroyed just looking at the first volley of fire it took (while at warp).

Oh and during that warp scene, what's up with the phasers changing course in midstream, shooting forwards and then downwards? It's kind of cool, but kind of hokey. I wonder if it was just done because it looked cool (most likely reason) or because they were traveling faster than the phasers?
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Old September 24 2013, 09:02 PM   #59
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I love how every single shot in TWOK actually mattered, and each shot did severe damage to an unshielded starship.. which is why Meyer made it so that very few shots actually hit in total. I think their "burning" through the hull really worked.

I think the Nu Enterprise would have been destroyed just looking at the first volley of fire it took (while at warp).

Oh and during that warp scene, what's up with the phasers changing course in midstream, shooting forwards and then downwards? It's kind of cool, but kind of hokey. I wonder if it was just done because it looked cool (most likely reason) or because they were traveling faster than the phasers?
They're Macross Type Phasers Anyone that's seen the Macross anime, knows energy weapons can make angles in space.
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Old September 24 2013, 09:07 PM   #60
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Oh and during that warp scene, what's up with the phasers changing course in midstream, shooting forwards and then downwards? It's kind of cool, but kind of hokey. I wonder if it was just done because it looked cool (most likely reason) or because they were traveling faster than the phasers?
Gattling phasers with arcing beams.
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