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Old September 23 2013, 04:51 AM   #61
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Ok, you guys have really got me on my window grievance. I understand where you all are coming from. (As I earlier admitted, I feel really really stupid for not considering the other ship windows.)

But theres the problem I have that a sudden burst of light (explosion etc. ) blinding the bridge crew during a serious situation. Its hard to operate a starship's controls when everything is whited out. And if no form of radiation got through the transparent aluminum, then you would not be able to see out of it, because no light would be coming in(its a type of radiation). BUt say thats the only radiation coming through, a sudden burst of light can blind the crew, even momentarily. (Captain Robou activates the "Sunglass"...even after the crew has been staring at the close sun the few minutes it takes him to get to the bridge.) I just think that the bridge is the one place you do not want a window. (I also had a problem with the top of the bridge in TNG being a window also-so its not just a NuTrek thing)
Old school tech: Polarized windows. Combine that with the ship's sensors and bingo problem solved.

And even using a view screen, the crew would get flash blinded in TOS

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Old September 23 2013, 04:53 AM   #62
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And even using a view screen, the crew would get flash blinded in TOS
Wow, you know I forgot about that-sad considering that was the first TOS episode I ever owned on VHS.
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Old September 23 2013, 05:00 AM   #63
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Ok, you guys have really got me on my window grievance. I understand where you all are coming from. (As I earlier admitted, I feel really really stupid for not considering the other ship windows.)

But theres the problem I have that a sudden burst of light (explosion etc. ) blinding the bridge crew during a serious situation. Its hard to operate a starship's controls when everything is whited out. And if no form of radiation got through the transparent aluminum, then you would not be able to see out of it, because no light would be coming in(its a type of radiation). BUt say thats the only radiation coming through, a sudden burst of light can blind the grew, even momentarily. (Captain Robou activates the "Sunglass"...even after the crew has been staring at the close sun the few minutes it takes him to get to the bridge.) I just think that the bridge is the one place you do not want a window. (I also had a problem with the top of the bridge in TNG being a window also-so its not just a NuTrek thing)
We've seen that very scenario. A big explosion. The entire crew covers their eyes. The light from the explosion recedes. The crew goes back to work. That's how Star Trek works. Same for your radiation theory. Starfleet tech allows for the bad stuff to be filtered out and the good stuff to go in and out.

So your "Greivence" is with Star Trek in general not NuTrek.

So windows are off the list. Fencing is off the list. Spock and Uhura are off the list. April is off the list. The launch date is off the list. What's left?

Ah, The "inconvenience" of building it on the ground. It's very convenient for the workers. No worries about things like breathing, Freedom of movement. Also gravity is under total control in the 23rd Century and can be turned off with the flip of a switch. One UFP member has cities that float in the air!
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Old September 23 2013, 05:02 AM   #64
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And even using a view screen, the crew would get flash blinded in TOS
Wow, you know I forgot about that-sad considering that was the first TOS episode I ever owned on VHS.
What you forgot and don't know is getting to be quite a list.
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Old September 23 2013, 05:05 AM   #65
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Ok, you guys have really got me on my window grievance. I understand where you all are coming from. (As I earlier admitted, I feel really really stupid for not considering the other ship windows.)

But theres the problem I have that a sudden burst of light (explosion etc. ) blinding the bridge crew during a serious situation. Its hard to operate a starship's controls when everything is whited out. And if no form of radiation got through the transparent aluminum, then you would not be able to see out of it, because no light would be coming in(its a type of radiation). BUt say thats the only radiation coming through, a sudden burst of light can blind the grew, even momentarily. (Captain Robou activates the "Sunglass"...even after the crew has been staring at the close sun the few minutes it takes him to get to the bridge.) I just think that the bridge is the one place you do not want a window. (I also had a problem with the top of the bridge in TNG being a window also-so its not just a NuTrek thing)
We've seen that very scenario. A big explosion. The entire crew covers their eyes. The light from the explosion recedes. The crew goes back to work. That's how Star Trek works. Same for your radiation theory. Starfleet tech allows for the bad stuff to be filtered out and the good stuff to go in and out.

So your "Greivence" is with Star Trek in general not NuTrek.

So windows are off the list. Fencing is off the list. Spock and Uhura are off the list. April is off the list. The launch date is off the list. What's left?

Ah, The "inconvenience" of building it on the ground. It's very convenient for the workers. No worries about things like breathing, Freedom of movement. Also gravity is under total control in the 23rd Century and can be turned off with the flip of a switch. One UFP member has cities that float in the air!
And it's not a new concept: "Flag Full Of Stars" (TOS novel) has the saucer section detached and refitted on Earth cause it would be easier to do the work on Earth; TNG "Paraelles" shows a Galaxy class ship under construction on the surface of Mars.

Edit: I had my copy of the Making Of Star Trek handy: Looks like building part of the ship on the surface and ferrying them into orbit was in the original ideas for the Enterprise's back story.

Giving anti-grave tech and the like, building a whole ship dirt side wouldn't be that hard
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Old September 23 2013, 05:15 AM   #66
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Doing rebuilds on the part that does not have the warp drive in it on the ground is one thing (and I think such a move would be more of a PR stunt than a matter of practicality given how many people would by then be totally at ease working and playing in zero-gee and could work faster without gravity in the way, to say nothing of the advantages of zero-gee fabrication, which we've already gotten a taste of), building the whole thing with its m/am whoosiwhatsis on the ground has enormous potential for calamity.

Maybe that is why they do it in Iowa instead of SF, because it'll just be another huge hole in the ground if things go wrong, like the thing Kirk almost falls into during the car chase? Starfleet - protecting our borders, while leaving the homeland pockmarked with memories of OOPS!moment warp experiments in gravity wells.

It'd be interesting to see how many of the built-it-on-the-ground-is-fine-because-it-is-the-future-and-energy-is-free folks grew up as much on STAR WARS as TREK. Seems the generation that saw SW before 2001 (if they saw the latter at all) is much more inclined to give more credence to the fantasy aspect than anything even vaguely science-based (and they were, I suppose, rewarded with the starship SEAVIEW earlier this year.)
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Old September 23 2013, 05:20 AM   #67
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Doing rebuilds on the part that does not have the warp drive in it on the ground is one thing (and I think such a move would be more of a PR stunt than a matter of practicality given how many people would by then be totally at ease working and playing in zero-gee and could work faster without gravity in the way, to say nothing of the advantages of zero-gee fabrication, which we've already gotten a taste of), building the whole thing with its m/am whoosiwhatsis on the ground has enormous potential for calamity.

Maybe that is why they do it in Iowa instead of SF, because it'll just be another huge hole in the ground if things go wrong, like the thing Kirk almost falls into during the car chase? Starfleet - protecting our borders, while leaving the homeland pockmarked with memories of OOPS!moment warp experiments in gravity wells.

It'd be interesting to see how many of the built-it-on-the-ground-is-fine-because-it-is-the-future-and-energy-is-free folks grew up as much on STAR WARS as TREK. Seems the generation that saw SW before 2001 (if they saw the latter at all) is much more inclined to give more credence to the fantasy aspect than anything even vaguely science-based (and they were, I suppose, rewarded with the starship SEAVIEW earlier this year.)

Maybe the core isn't fueled until the ship is tractored into orbit?

Only TOS treated energy as being a concern. From the movies forward, it wasn't a thing to worry about most times. Maybe once in a while when plot demanded, but other wise they never worried about it.
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Old September 23 2013, 05:28 AM   #68
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I was born in 1950s and saw Trek in the 60s and Wars in the 70s. So count me as a Trek first guy. And I saw 2001 when I was ten.

The hole in Iowa is a quarry.

We've no idea if an active warp drive was on the ship when at the Riverside shipyard. As I said they probably lifted the ship into space using Ardanese tech.

The workers are safer in Iowa than in orbit, no matter how skilled they are in zero g construction.
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Old September 23 2013, 05:32 AM   #69
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Everyone seems concerned about radiation from the damn windows, but apparently not concerned about workers exposed to radiation while working in space.
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Everyone seems concerned about radiation from the damn windows, but apparently not concerned about workers exposed to radiation while working in space.
Apparently there's no unions in the 23rd century. Can you imagine the shit storm over worker safety.
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Old September 23 2013, 06:21 AM   #71
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Apparently there's no unions in the 23rd century. Can you imagine the shit storm over worker safety.
Yeah, those Redshirt would have formed a union ...that would have been disasterous XD
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It'd be interesting to see how many of the built-it-on-the-ground-is-fine-because-it-is-the-future-and-energy-is-free folks grew up as much on STAR WARS as TREK.
It's been done, many times over. The notion that approval or disapproval of starships built on the ground is dictated by an age divide has been shown to be false - each and every time it's come up.

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Seems the generation that saw SW before 2001 (if they saw the latter at all) is much more inclined to give more credence to the fantasy aspect than anything even vaguely science-based (and they were, I suppose, rewarded with the starship SEAVIEW earlier this year.)
And no, everyone's just fine on the lawn, right where they are.

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... huge [OOPS!moment warp experiment] hole in the ground... like the thing Kirk almost falls into during the car chase...
The sign at the gate read "Danger - open quarry". Eastern Iowa has lots of quarries - for limestone, mostly.
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Old September 23 2013, 11:24 AM   #73
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You can see inside the nacelles while she's in the Riverside shipyard, and the coil mechanisms are in there, fully equipped. Also, why they would be welding the nacelles shut when they'd have to painstakingly skin them again to put the engines in then incase them *again* taking months is pointless.

She was built entirely on the ground and used the same antigravity system that took over from the thrusters in Into Darkness when she powered up.

Apparently, this causes no problems for Starfleet or the dockyards.
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No, he joined around 10 years after the date these movies occur.
This is a reboot. Chekov can join Starfleet anytime the writers like.
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