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Old September 22 2013, 07:54 PM   #16
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Re: My Greivences of Nutrek. What makes me a hater...

Just responding to a few which struck me:

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4. Windows - F YOU MICROSOFT!!! no really Windows. If something is transparent , UV radiation definatly penetrates it. Anyone notice how the Kelvins crew was getting full lethal doses of UV radiation before Captain Robau came on the bridge to activate the "Sunglasses" shield.
The main viewscreens/windows clearly employ optical UV filtering of some sort to prevent the crew receiving lethal doses of radiation. Heck, none of the bridge people we saw even needed to wear sunscreen or neutron cream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UV_filter

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7.Supernova- A supernova cannot threaten a whole galaxy. And even if it could, it would take over 100,000 years to destroy it after it exploded. If Alpha Centari went supernova...we wouldnt know it for 4 years. Thats plenty of time for Romulus to evacuate. Only way is that the name of the star of Romulas is Hobus.
Just call it a superdupernova and don't worry about it. They're obviously even more dangerous and destructive than a hypernova.

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10. The Enterprise - whatever happened to Robert April?
Who cares? I sure don't.

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And wasnt the Enterprise supposed to been launched in 2245? And I think its not really convenient to build a star ship on the surface. My opinion. Also, The plaque of the Enterprise has always said San Francisco Yards
And still does, for that matter.

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11. Fencing - You do not use a Samurai sword or Katana or whatever the heck that was in fencing. YOU USE A FOIL.
Not so. Even in Olympic/competitive fencing there are three different swords used, but fencing can more broadly apply to any sword combat for sport, including Kendo:
Fencing is the sport of fighting with swords. The most common version of fencing today, also called olympic fencing or competitive fencing, is divided into three weapon categories: foil, sabre and épée. Classical fencing uses the same three weapons, but approaches fencing as a martial art.
See also: academic fencing; historical fencing; SCA fencing, etc.
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Old September 22 2013, 07:56 PM   #17
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Re: My Greivences of Nutrek. What makes me a hater...

I have always found that the vast majority of "issues" in a Star Trek movie, or most movies, can be resolved vis some creative thinking. It is actually pretty fun to do.

I also do not like to pick apart movies. It takes the fun out of it for me. So with most movies I like to just go along for the ride and do not think too much about it. However, if a plot hole does jump out at me I can generally resolve it. If I can't they tend not to bother me too much.

If I like the characters and the story I can be a very forgiving viewer.

Let me take this point which is very easy to resolve.

11. Fencing - You do not use a Samurai sword or Katana or whatever the heck that was in fencing. YOU USE A FOIL.
I know some people who have fenced and read about some people who like to fence. Some of these people like to collect swords of many different styles and types. It is not difficult to conceive that Sulu could be a sword collector and grabbed one from his quarters that he felt would be sufficient for combat if he needed one.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:10 PM   #18
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Maybe it's becuase I've read to much Niven, but the exploding star threatening a galaxy isn't a big deal to me. After all, the Known Space books use an explosion at the galactic core (blackhole exploding, I think it was) that's threatening all life as part of the backstory to the franchise to explain why the Pupeteers are hauling ass out of the Milky Way. Trying to recall, but I'm pretty sure Niven wasn't the first or only of the old school writers to use some form of Super-Mega-Duper Nova / Explosion is is going to kill everything; it's a thing you read it and move on.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:17 PM   #19
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Lens Flare - This was a really big problem for me in ST'09 in a stark white background (IE: The Bridge). It litterally put white spots in my eyes for several minutes after every bridge scene at the theaters (On DVD isn't quite so bad). The one scene I recall in Medbay with bad flares, wasn't quite as bad as the Bridge scenes. The rest of the movie, they weren't a problem for me, just the stark white background ones. I don't recall even really noticing any in STiD that were obnoxious.

Launch Date - Yea, TOS was very careful not to pin down their time period. There were hints it could be later than TNG+ timeframe, I think, and earlier than TNG+ places it as well, I believe, wasn't there?

Although, still a bit much, Cadet to Captain, many folks forget to include that at least he was a Lieutenant promoted to Captain, not an Ensign as some folks claim or imply(Not meaning anyone in this thread has, just that some folks do try to sell it that way). So, yea it's a legitimate complaint, but, then Anakin becomes a General awfully young. It's just a conceit of the Source material to put him in the chair right away, and they did address that he wasn't ready for the big chair in the new movie, by taking it away from him and making him earn it back. Many Fantasy/SciFi characters go from being an uninitiated or trained Farm Boy (or other cultural equivalents) to the Head Hero in charge on "The Heroes Journey", which Kirk just completed "First Victory after Hero's Mentor Dies" phase of, and now he's ready to burst out into the Galaxy and become "The Galaxy's Hero" (Many Heroes in this phase of The Heroes Journey make a lot of bad decisions gaining this first Victory, it's just luck, fate or quick thinking that turns the tide. They're emotionally compromised mourning their Mentor and having to do it alone)

The Supernova - think of it as Nature's Genesis Device
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Old September 22 2013, 08:20 PM   #20
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I watched STiD last night for 3,000,000th time and I thought of this one.

5. Spock and Uhura.... Yes Uhura was flirtacious with spock in TOS, but WTF? Actually I said that out loud in the theatre before I caught my self. I have problems with a lot of characters acting out of character.
In TOS I don't think it would have worked at all. However in the JJ Abrams movies it works. There is chemistry between the two actors and their characters that was not there in the 60s show.

I also think NuSpock is a little more emotional than Spock Prime.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:27 PM   #21
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I watched STiD last night for 3,000,000th time and I thought of this one.

5. Spock and Uhura.... Yes Uhura was flirtacious with spock in TOS, but WTF? Actually I said that out loud in the theatre before I caught my self. I have problems with a lot of characters acting out of character.
In TOS I don't think it would have worked at all. However in the JJ Abrams movies it works. There is chemistry between the two actors and their characters that was not there in the 60s show.

I also think NuSpock is a little more emotional than Spock Prime.
For the time period the show was made. Yeah, I don't think they could have done it. I think the censors and Execs would have shit the bed. For all the latter day hype, TOS wasn't that progressive; it was still pretty safe in terms of what they did.

In-universe: I think it could have worked. There's a bit of a hint in "That Which Survives"--could have the wrong episode title--and Charlie X. Would have worked a lot better than Chapel pining away for S]pock.

Edit: It's "Who Mourns For Adonais" and "Charlie X", that I was thinking of; knew I had one wrong.

And, even in TOS, Spock's a Player:



Must have picked up some moves from Carl.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:32 PM   #22
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Re: My Greivences of Nutrek. What makes me a hater...

Well guys, you all have given me some good stuff to think on.

Don't all starships have windows?
YEah this one made me feel really really stupid. I been so worried about the dangers of a viewscreen window, that I forgot about all the windows all over the ships to begin with.

Good call on the Fencing issue M'Sharak. I was not aware of that.

If I can remember all of this I should be able to run through these movies with a bit more Open mind.

I forgot one though.

12. KHAN - Magic blood. I know we have had silliness before (like curing that so called "evolving with injecting Paris with Anti-matter-hence why I don't like Voyager all that well, B$ science that doesn't make sense) But I think feature films should be able to keep better eyes out for this stuff. This magic blood is able to bring recently dead back to life, and terminally ill healthy again. Would this not make people want to incubate khan's blood to cure EVERYTHING? "Hey its the Terellian plague!!! Get some Khan blood."

Oh and someone mentioned I don't seem to have an OCD for apostrophes. (I can't look back in middle of typing a reply to see who) To that person, thanks a lot, now that you pointed out to me I'm obsessing over it.... lol.

The one I don't think I can ever get over and it seems to be a staple in cinema is the ridiculous lensflares. I don't feel like I'm there with the action, I feel like I'm looking through a window.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:51 PM   #23
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Okay, here's the stuff I liked...

I love the cast. They do a fantasic job of bringing my favourite Trek characters to life. They're quirky, fun and relatable, with none of the pretentious twaddle I hated so much from from TNG. Not quite the originals, but with the same spirit.

The energy. This is Star Trek with a shot of Cordrazine. Louder, faster, brasher. I've wanted all-out action Trek, and now I'm getting it. Want to discuss the situation in a meeting? Well tough luck because Khan is attacking in a stolen police ship! A stroll to engineering? The gravity's out and the ship's spiralling down to certain doom! Fun and adventure on a bigger scale than ever before in Trek.

I like seeing the Trek universe through fresh eyes. Everything has become so rigid and uniform from TNG through to Enterprise, I knew how everything would look, sound and act. I remember a Voyager episode where Harry Kim was stranded on Earth in an alternate timeline. He broke the law and got in trouble... and Starfleet officers came after him. I thought, "don't they have police on Earth in the future? Is everything run by Starfleet?" and every time we saw a computer it was the LCARS interface (Earth, united under one OS) - thankfully Earth is now a LOT bigger than all that. Countless cars, ships, shuttles, boats, police and rescue craft are there and all look unique just like in real life.

I like that they DON'T explain everything. They let the imagination fill in the blanks and in doing so create a universe that seems far larger and more diverse than what we saw in TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT. Kirk has a cyborg on the bridge. Praxis is in pieces and parts of Kronos have been evacuated. A lot of interesting things have been happening off-screen.

Continuity. They didn't have to tie in with classic Trek at all, but in making their "not just for Trekkies" movies they've included more nods and references than any prior Star Trek. Not only to the episodes and movies, but they've drawn on novels, comics, old technical manuals and even some videogames and ancient fanlore. It's completely insane how much they've managed to cram in. There are almost two movies running parallel - the one the casual viewer sees, and the one the hardcore Trekkie sees, where everything has extra significance.

There's more, but I'm rambling.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:58 PM   #24
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M'Sharak wrote: View Post
Just responding to a few which struck me:


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11. Fencing - You do not use a Samurai sword or Katana or whatever the heck that was in fencing. YOU USE A FOIL.
Not so. Even in Olympic/competitive fencing there are three different swords used, but fencing can more broadly apply to any sword combat for sport, including Kendo:
Fencing is the sport of fighting with swords. The most common version of fencing today, also called olympic fencing or competitive fencing, is divided into three weapon categories: foil, sabre and épée. Classical fencing uses the same three weapons, but approaches fencing as a martial art.
See also: academic fencing; historical fencing; SCA fencing, etc.
The OP can dislike whatever they want, but THIS is the one that irritates me the most after 4 years of complaints -- heck, it's not even really important to Trek like phasers and warp drive. Thank you for beating me to the punch, M!
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Old September 22 2013, 09:09 PM   #25
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Re: Spock/Uhura - 'The Man Trap' established their flirtatious relationship, and the famous line, "Vulcan has no moon."
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The history of Spock flirting with Uhura.
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Old September 22 2013, 10:35 PM   #28
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The history of Spock flirting with Uhura.
Sorry, the biggest piece of evidence is the last Charlie X clip, and we have to De-canonize that, because Spock is not under the influence of alien tech/flora/fauna and he's wearing an ear to ear grin.

Seriously, though, that clip, and two or three other examples is about all I credit though, most of those are really reaching. Having said that, I think the few instances I agree are flirting, are plenty to justify an attraction large enough to prompt a romance in an alternate reality.
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Old September 22 2013, 11:00 PM   #29
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"2. TRANWARP TRANSPORTER- Mother Warper!!! Shakaree damn!!! What the Hell? This is Ubertech at its worst. You pretty much made starships obsolete. I can't explain in a post just why this is a really really bad idea."

I've seen this posted a few times, and I'm not following. How does a transwarp transporter replace a starship? How does TB accomplish exploration? How does TB seek out new life and new civilizations? How does TB go where no man has gone before? Don't you need endpoint coordinates even for transwarp beaming? Finally, how does TB face and repel an aggressive invading species? Sorry, I just don't buy it. Sure, commercial transportation will be laying off jobs, but star fleet is much more than just a way to get from point A to point B.
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Maybe it's becuase I've read to much Niven, but the exploding star threatening a galaxy isn't a big deal to me.
It reminds me of the crystal planet from the old video game Starflight.
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