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View Poll Results: Rate The Crimson Shadow.
Outstanding 65 67.01%
Above Average 26 26.80%
Average 4 4.12%
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Old September 22 2013, 02:03 AM   #31
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

Picked up my copy today. Was almost in tears by the end of it...and this is not a complaint.

More after I've further ruminated...
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Old September 22 2013, 02:20 AM   #32
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

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My understanding is that in the past,
In the past, these threads on new books with polls, the spoilers were marked with spoiler codes even though the thread was marked (Spoilers!). People were being polite and doing this so major spoilers didn't get seen out in the open.

There's no reason to buck what's been working and start having open spoilers where we didn't used to have them. People who are used to these threads won't be expecting open spoilers. So the best solution (IMHO) is to just keep these sorts of threads the way they've been for the good of everyone.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:27 AM   #33
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

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Picked up my copy today. Was almost in tears by the end of it...and this is not a complaint.
This doesn't bode well for me. I teared up during the Neverending Sacrifice and the end of Brinksmanship.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:48 AM   #34
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

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Sho wrote: View Post
My understanding is that in the past,
In the past, these threads on new books with polls, the spoilers were marked with spoiler codes even though the thread was marked (Spoilers!). People were being polite and doing this so major spoilers didn't get seen out in the open.

There's no reason to buck what's been working and start having open spoilers where we didn't used to have them. People who are used to these threads won't be expecting open spoilers. So the best solution (IMHO) is to just keep these sorts of threads the way they've been for the good of everyone.
The way these threads have worked for years is that we discuss the actual book. I want to know about Una's book. Not read post after post about spoilers when in fact you have a seperate thread for it.

Why do you insist on ruining these review threads by derailing them? Damn, you beat this horse enough.

DEWline, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this book and why it made you cry!
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Old September 22 2013, 03:08 AM   #35
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

^ Sorry, I must have missed the other thread (this month is crazy-busy for me, also why the review thread itself was a bit late). But I agree, let's focus on the book.
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Old September 22 2013, 03:19 AM   #36
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Re: TF: The Crimson Shadow by Una McCormack - Review Thread (Spoilers!

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^You know, being a thread discussing the new book with spoilers in the title, placing things, especially things that aren't spoilerish under spoiler tags is pretty redundant.

Yes you may get the odd person complaining you've ruined the book and you shouldn't post spoilers uncoded in here, but if they haven't read the book and don't want to be spoiled, they shouldn't really be in here!
Please stop trying to change things. In threads about new books, it's the norm to put spoilers in spoiler tags no matter that the thread title does say (Spoilers!). It's been done that way for a long time and if you somehow manage to change that, you'll find more people leaving or not participating in the new book threads. So just leave well enough alone.

Okay, this needs to stop.

Point number 1: If someone chooses to put their remarks inside spoiler code they are perfectly at liberty to do that, even in a thread marked spoilers. it's their choice.

Point number 2: If a thread is marked spoilers in the title then it is allowed for spoilers to be discussed openly within the thread.


This is how it works. It might not be how it worked in the past but it's how it works now.

Both of you, JWolf and Dimesdan, need to get out of the habit of telling people what to do. It's not appreciated. You've both been asked to stop before, now you get an infraction for it.

This derailing of threads for discussions about spoilers needs to stop. There's the thread for spoiler discussion - take it there.
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Old September 22 2013, 03:30 AM   #37
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Let me put it this way: one of the leads of this book has been on a journey for a good long while, and this is a big milestone in their life. Knowing something of where they've been along the way to this point, and the work they've put into self-improvement, there's a lot emotionally invested.

It's a triumph of sorts, for all that it could still go horrifically awry...or straight to further glory.

Call them celebratory tears. At least for now.
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Old September 22 2013, 03:49 AM   #38
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Comments deleted. I wrote the post before Trampledamage's post.
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Old September 22 2013, 04:17 AM   #39
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Let me put it this way: one of the leads of this book has been on a journey for a good long while, and this is a big milestone in their life. Knowing something of where they've been along the way to this point, and the work they've put into self-improvement, there's a lot emotionally invested.

It's a triumph of sorts, for all that it could still go horrifically awry...or straight to further glory.

Call them celebratory tears. At least for now.
Wow. Thanks for sharing. Now I want this book more than I wanted the new gold IPhone 5. Ha. But really, I'm bursting to know which character it was that touched you so much.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:30 PM   #40
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Just finished and absolutely loved this.

I'm never been massively interested in the Cardassians but thought this did an exceptional job in portraying the stresses and strain their society has been under for the last decade.

Like Book 1 this also had large proportions of the narrative being carried by less familiar characters but it did so much more effectively.

I had to stop reading and get off the train just before



and I was desperate to know what happened - just one of many excellent sequences!

Also unlike book 1 it told a really interesting story while still leaving a few threads for the rest of the series such as why the Enterprise has been sent where it has been next.

I suppose there was a slight bit of disappointment in the ending



Anyway loved it and after the disappointing Book 1 I'm back to being really enthused about this series.

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Old September 24 2013, 05:14 PM   #41
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Only thing I am not sure about (aside from the cover...apart from dropping the characters off at the beginning, it features not at all) is the recasting of the obsidian order as the good guys, though I suppose as a sort of political commentary for where organisations like the CIA or FBI can end up it's not impossible (it's pretty much said that the OO was set up a an anti mafia branch...but ends up more like a secret brotherhood by the present...) aside from that and the fact Picard is a support character in a book with his ship on th cover, it's a pretty awesome book, particularly when read alongside 'a stitch in time' and 'the never-ending sacrifice' it's interestingly fifties Berlin, but the idea of a book from within a culture warning of a cultures future, whilst being in a book from a culture.....twisty turns, and makes this series look to have a lot of social commentary in the trek tradition. This is very much a ds9 series so far though isn't it?
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Old September 24 2013, 07:57 PM   #42
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It was more that the Order started for good reasons and then eventually became as bad as what it replaced.

I don't think there is any doubt from the book that the characters still consider the Order to be a bad thing and that Cardassia is well rid of it.

There is a big strain of power corrupts through the book and the Order is a key example of that.
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Old September 24 2013, 08:09 PM   #43
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I'm several weeks off reading this, but I'm gratified to see 100% of votes are for outstanding.

Una does it again...
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Old September 24 2013, 08:16 PM   #44
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I saw my download, and should start it tomorrow.
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Old September 24 2013, 09:27 PM   #45
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Just finished the book! I'm a big fan of all the cardassian stories, and this is definitely one of my favorites. As I think I've mentioned, McCormack is my favorite trek writer, writing about my favorite trek character, in my favorite trek country. There's so much subtly about the way she writes for Cardassians, their culture, and what life has become from them.

I'm sure more major spoilers are going to come out in the thread soon enough, but for the moment I'll just keep this to a vague reccomendation. This is an excellent, tense book that presents a good mystery and a lot of comepelling side characters. But its Garak's book completely. The people most likely to dislike this book are people who might not like his character.

But for those that do? Its amazing. Garak has become such a compelling character, and his path towards redemption continues here. Its a book that benefits a lot from having read A Stitch in Time, so if for some reason you haven't, you might want to look that up first. I really look forward to seeing where they go next! More Cardassian stories!

[Also, does anyone have the english name of the book that Garak receives at the end? I'd like to look it up!]
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