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Old September 21 2013, 07:29 PM   #76
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Since there is an explanation right in my post, from the episode that introduced Khan, "none" does not apply.
What? That blood brought a tribble back to life.
Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.

MCCOY: Maybe. Heart beat dropping.
KIRK: Circuit shorting.
SCOTT: Probably some dust.
MCCOY: Heartbeat now thirty, dropping fast. It's a heart flutter. He's dying.
KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
(McGivers enters)
KIRK: An improved breed of human. That's what the Eugenics War was all about.
MCCOY: I'd estimate he could lift us both with one arm. It will be interesting to see if his brain matches his body.
2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
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Old September 21 2013, 07:32 PM   #77
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Because anything to do with genetic engineering has been banned on Earth since 1996?
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Old September 21 2013, 07:38 PM   #78
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Life eternal in the Star Trek universe!!!
Go watch "The Neutral Zone" from season one of TNG. The Federation cured death in the Trek universe way back in 1987.
The tribble wasn't frozen in a cryo tube.
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Old September 21 2013, 07:41 PM   #79
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What? That blood brought a tribble back to life.
Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.



KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
(McGivers enters)
KIRK: An improved breed of human. That's what the Eugenics War was all about.
MCCOY: I'd estimate he could lift us both with one arm. It will be interesting to see if his brain matches his body.
2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
They didn't watch "Space Seed".
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Old September 21 2013, 07:44 PM   #80
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Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.





2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
They didn't watch Space Seed.


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Old September 21 2013, 07:48 PM   #81
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Because anything to do with genetic engineering has been banned on Earth since 1996?
Good point--and one I had forgot about. The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments and the science behind them.

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What? That blood brought a tribble back to life.
Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.



KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
(McGivers enters)
KIRK: An improved breed of human. That's what the Eugenics War was all about.
MCCOY: I'd estimate he could lift us both with one arm. It will be interesting to see if his brain matches his body.
2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
Cause they've got their magic one shot cures. "Oh you have some super alien virus that is completely rewriting your DNA! the ships is doomed!! *40 minutes and a mouthful of technobabble later* ~hsssss~ There all better."
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Old September 21 2013, 07:50 PM   #82
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The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments
Well, can you really blame them?
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Old September 21 2013, 07:52 PM   #83
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Because anything to do with genetic engineering has been banned on Earth since 1996?
Good point--and one I had forgot about. The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments and the science behind them.

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Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.





2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
Cause they've got their magic one shot cures. "Oh you have some super alien virus that is completely rewriting your DNA! the ships is doomed!! *40 minutes and a mouthful of technobabble later* ~hsssss~ There all better."
All based on Augment blood (Shhhhh, don't tell anybody)
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Old September 21 2013, 07:55 PM   #84
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Because anything to do with genetic engineering has been banned on Earth since 1996?
Good point--and one I had forgot about. The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments and the science behind them.

Yanks wrote: View Post
Nerys Myk wrote: View Post

Blood is a key element in the healing process, even in normal humans.

1) Khan has remarkable recuperative abilities. They say so in "Space Seed". He brings himself back from near death.





2) The little girl in act one is saved by Khan's blood.

3) The tribble is brought back to life by Khan's blood.

Connect the dots.
Good point. Wonder why Beverly, Phlox, Bashir and The Doctor never used it?
Cause they've got their magic one shot cures. "Oh you have some super alien virus that is completely rewriting your DNA! the ships is doomed!! *40 minutes and a mouthful of technobabble later* ~hsssss~ There all better."
Yeah true... I'm glad I had this little chat. The Khan blood thing doesn't bother me so much any more.
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Old September 21 2013, 07:57 PM   #85
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I'm allowing "Khan bleed over"
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The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments
Well, can you really blame them?
Sort of shoots that whole "enlightened humanity" concept full of holes, eh?
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The Federation (Earth especially) seems paranoid as fuck when it comes to augments
Well, can you really blame them?
Sort of shoots that whole "enlightened humanity" concept full of holes, eh?
Enlightened doesn't mean stupid, IMO. I think Earth's zero tolerance towards genetic augmentation stems from it being proved extremely dangerous more than once (Khan may not have been the only--nor the last--Augment who tried to take over the world).
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Well, can you really blame them?
Sort of shoots that whole "enlightened humanity" concept full of holes, eh?
Enlightened doesn't mean stupid, IMO. I think Earth's zero tolerance towards genetic augmentation stems from it being proved extremely dangerous more than once (Khan may not have been the only--nor the last--Augment who tried to take over the world).
There's a difference between banning the creation of Augments/Super Humans and a total ban on genetic research and modification like we see on Earth/in the Federation. It's bigoted paranoia and short sighted.
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Sort of shoots that whole "enlightened humanity" concept full of holes, eh?
Enlightened doesn't mean stupid, IMO. I think Earth's zero tolerance towards genetic augmentation stems from it being proved extremely dangerous more than once (Khan may not have been the only--nor the last--Augment who tried to take over the world).
There's a difference between banning the creation of Augments/Super Humans and a total ban on genetic research and modification like we see on Earth/in the Federation. It's bigoted paranoia and short sighted.
Not if it has a proven track record of always producing world-dominating tyrants.
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Enlightened doesn't mean stupid, IMO. I think Earth's zero tolerance towards genetic augmentation stems from it being proved extremely dangerous more than once (Khan may not have been the only--nor the last--Augment who tried to take over the world).
There's a difference between banning the creation of Augments/Super Humans and a total ban on genetic research and modification like we see on Earth/in the Federation. It's bigoted paranoia and short sighted.
Not if it has a proven track record of always producing world-dominating tyrants.
Again: You're tossing out the baby with the bath water. Why make people like Bashir's parents into criminals for wanting to help their child? There's a difference between breeding and upgrading humans into augments and using valid medical science to help people. Any culture or society that can't separate the two, loses the right to claim an enlightened superiority.
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