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Old September 16 2013, 08:15 PM   #46
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Re: The Cage bridge.

Ha, touchee sir.
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Old September 21 2013, 07:34 PM   #47
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They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
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Old September 21 2013, 07:56 PM   #48
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Re: The Cage bridge.

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They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
And an army of continuity people to make sure constantly-changing images match from shot to shot.
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Old September 21 2013, 09:42 PM   #49
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Re: The Cage bridge.

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They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
And an army of continuity people to make sure constantly-changing images match from shot to shot.
That's for sure. Imagine you've shooting a wide shot off to one side there's a screen displaying an image of a galaxy behind Rand right as Kirk finishes a line. The next line is hers, so in her closeup for that line you have to make sure the slide projector is showing the same image so as not to cause a jump cut. Now imagine doing that all the time. Eek!

We ran into a tiny example of that on Polaris. There's one console that features a rhythmically flashing "blip" and if you cut wrong randomly when it's in two subsequent shots you immediately notice the jump.
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Old September 21 2013, 10:50 PM   #50
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Re: The Cage bridge.

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They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
That would be great, but in the 1960s there were only CRTs and rear projection screens. CRT monitors would have been unwieldy and expensive, so rear projection was the only real choice.

Then there would have been the continuity problems as pointed out above.
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Old September 21 2013, 11:42 PM   #51
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^Plus CRTs on film sets just didn't look good before HDTVs came along. Even when the monitors were synchronized to the film so they wouldn't flicker (a hard thing to do since they had different frame rates), the resolution was still poor. That's why most old TV shows and movies used mattes to simulate the screen image on a TV or monitor the characters were watching. They switched from film loops to CRTs in The Wrath of Khan and it just looks so much more primitive. IIRC, it wasn't until Voyager that they were able to incorporate real monitors into the bridge and other sets.
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Old September 22 2013, 12:03 AM   #52
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^^ Fantastic Voyage (released in 1966) used real black-and-white CRT monitors on the CMDF control room set. I recall reading that the DP had to keep the light level low to avoid washing out the TV images.
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Old September 22 2013, 12:16 AM   #53
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Re: The Cage bridge.

Ummm speaking of those railing, anyone notice on Pikes bridge, they were only divided into 2 sections instead of 4? Also I should point out that the "Where No Man's Gone Before" is different from the "cage" bridge as well. Most notably the Viewscreen. I am a fan of the WNMGB bridge myself.

Hey did anyone else notice that in "The Cage" , when spock was giving a report from his display, all he had to do in change screens was wave his hand? I thought that was neat concept for back then. Then In "Where no man has gone before" you see Mitchell wave his hand over his console to activate some control. Anyone else catch these occurrences?
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Old September 22 2013, 01:38 AM   #54
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As cut in both "The Cage" and the "inset" footage for "The Menagerie", it does indeed appear Spock is employing some sort of "proximity" controls the change the screen displays. A wider shot left on the cutting room floor reveals Spock is actually gesturing to an "assistant" sitting at the science board to press some buttons or flip some switches. (This is the same crewperson, a brunette wearing a ponytail, we see when Pike extracts his printout report.)

I know; I know; if it's not in the final print, it's debatable. Just sharing a tidbit some members may not know.

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Old September 22 2013, 02:22 AM   #55
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Maurice wrote: View Post
They lost the slide projectors on the overhead monitors because of the cost...the number of union operators required was too expensive.
That's sad. If I had to make a bridge, I would want every type of display. Plasma screens, rear projectors for a soft light, LEDs LCDs, a little bit over everything to add layers of warmth to the images.
That would be great, but in the 1960s there were only CRTs and rear projection screens. CRT monitors would have been unwieldy and expensive, so rear projection was the only real choice.

Then there would have been the continuity problems as pointed out above.
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^Plus CRTs on film sets just didn't look good before HDTVs came along. Even when the monitors were synchronized to the film so they wouldn't flicker (a hard thing to do since they had different frame rates), the resolution was still poor. That's why most old TV shows and movies used mattes to simulate the screen image on a TV or monitor the characters were watching. They switched from film loops to CRTs in The Wrath of Khan and it just looks so much more primitive. IIRC, it wasn't until Voyager that they were able to incorporate real monitors into the bridge and other sets.
Funny how easy it is to forget things like that.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:24 AM   #56
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No, It makes sense. I forgot that there was someone sitting there.

But Mitchell definatly did some sort of gesture control with his panel in WNMHGB.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:27 AM   #57
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In "Where no man has gone before" you see Mitchell wave his hand over his console to activate some control. Anyone else catch these occurrences?
To me it appeared he was sliding his hand on the controls, not above them.
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Old September 22 2013, 02:32 AM   #58
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Oh....Yeah your right! Still though, it screams iPad at me. Seems revolutionary at the time.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:07 AM   #59
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Eh, Klattu was doing gestures to operate controls in The Day The Earth Stood Still. If Star Trek did it, it was 13 years late to the party.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:52 AM   #60
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But that was alien tech...some alien tech was mind though activated and etc. Just something different seeing Earth tech doing it though, like it adds an all new awesome factor.

Hey pike's bridge had a Printer, and Kirk's WNMHGB bridge had a corded earpiece!!!...or was that part of a Telephone. I would have laughed really hard if the Communications station had one. "Lt., phone starfleet" .
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