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Old September 20 2013, 10:25 PM   #376
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

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Now the thing to be genuinely pissed off @ Paramount for is the awful Blu-Ray quality of the majority of the old Trek movies because they used old DVD 1080i masters and digitally scrubbed (DNR) all the detail away instead of re-scanning them all at 4K. If anything should be skipped its them! TWOK is the exception as it was rescanned at 4k. The rest look like shit.
I'm not going to get into the tech stuff, but just in layman's terms, it all doens't amtter because the resulyt is exactly the opposite of what you say here:

TWOK is the worst-looking blue-ray of all the Star Trek films, with it's overly-blue washed out look. Even Regula, and the ships orbiting it, seem smeared in blue. It looks like a pain of translucent glass has been placed between the viewer and the drama!

It's not just the worst Star Trek film on Blue-ray, it's the worst-looking blue-ray in my collection
I noticed the blue in TWOK but colour issues aside it is by far the best looking movie in the blu-ray set. It might be possible to use some form of software or filter on a blu-ray player or computer to return it to the more red colour it was on the DVD?

Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!
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Old September 20 2013, 10:43 PM   #377
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I went with the WalMart edition that comes with the Vengeance. I already had the ship, I just wanted the metal tin DVD case, so I put the Vengeance up on eBay and used the funds from the sale to buy a ship I don't yet have....the Kelvin!
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Old September 20 2013, 10:46 PM   #378
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STID seems really blue in places.
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Old September 21 2013, 10:17 AM   #379
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

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Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!
Umm, it doesn't look like shit. It's got some DNR on it, and it's not a reference quality demo disc. It does look and sound significantly better than all the previous home video releases I own - LaserDisc and DVD (x2).
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Old September 21 2013, 12:22 PM   #380
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Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!
Umm, it doesn't look like shit. It's got some DNR on it, and it's not a reference quality demo disc. It does look and sound significantly better than all the previous home video releases I own - LaserDisc and DVD (x2).
It is one of the worst releases of all time and paramount should be ashamed of it.

Look at this: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tuchd0188.jpg

Does that look acceptable? It's been scrubbed that much Spock looks like a waxwork figure. It's abysmal.
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Old September 21 2013, 02:54 PM   #381
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

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Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!
Umm, it doesn't look like shit. It's got some DNR on it, and it's not a reference quality demo disc. It does look and sound significantly better than all the previous home video releases I own - LaserDisc and DVD (x2).
It is one of the worst releases of all time and paramount should be ashamed of it.

Look at this: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tuchd0188.jpg

Does that look acceptable? It's been scrubbed that much Spock looks like a waxwork figure. It's abysmal.
No, it's a very long way from an "abysmal" release in terms of AV quality. Truly not wishing to be boastful at all here, but as a home cinema enthusiast of many decades, I do spend a lot of money on my set-up - it's a passion and major hobby.

If you want to see something that "looks like shit", watch a DVD on a extremely large screen. The TUC Blu blows the DVD version away with consummate ease - I'll take the slightly over zealous DNR over DVD any day thank you very much.
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Old September 21 2013, 03:13 PM   #382
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If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.
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Old September 21 2013, 03:22 PM   #383
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If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.
No, not "terrible" either. "Average" or "mediocre" is far more suitable terminology.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll get vociferously shouted down by those who want to proclaim how dreadful and awful the TUC Blu-ray transfer is. Indeed, the sometimes laughable and hysterical overreactions to the disc have been around since release date. Hey-ho.
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Old September 21 2013, 03:37 PM   #384
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We can see bits of lint on Beverly Crusher's medical coat on the TNG Blu-rays. Leonard Nimoy looks like a melting candle on that screenshot. I'm not trying to stir up a big argument, but it's not a good picture.
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Old September 21 2013, 03:55 PM   #385
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We can see bits of lint on Beverly Crusher's medical coat on the TNG Blu-rays. Leonard Nimoy looks like a melting candle on that screenshot. I'm not trying to stir up a big argument, but it's not a good picture.
I'm not up for an argument either - I just don't agree with you. I've watched the TUC BD "in motion" many times, and it's a big upgrade on the DVD.

I could grab a load of SD DVD screenshots and rip them to pieces, but it'll just turn into a pissing contest - pointless. You see the transfer as "terrible" - OK, fine. I think that's an extremely inaccurate description of the AV quality. No bad feelings intended.
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Old September 21 2013, 04:13 PM   #386
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Single frame screen captures can often make even the best of Blu-rays look less than pristine and are rather useless in most situations in determining PQ. Viewing something in motion, as it was intended, is a better way to judge PQ. And TUC has nothing on some truly awful releases (early BD of Predator comes to mind).

The Trek BDs (not including the Abrams films) are not stellar releases in PQ by any stretch, but they are no worse than average overall. But, hey, nitpickers exist in all areas and some of the most hysterical debates that Trek fans can have are easily matched by some found at A/V enthusiast sites (several of which I am a member). And it goes even further in debates about AQ.

Terrible vs average, to be fair, also depends on what one has seen. If the bulk of one's viewing is of recent releases where BDs are made from the digital interpositive directly, then something that is less than pristine may indeed look "terrible". But if one has sampled BDs of films from many different eras, in many different states of "repair", then a lot of what is often called "terrible" becomes "average". This is not to say that efforts shouldn't be made to do better, but it is often a cost vs. potential sales issue (look up articles by Robert A. Harris--his work is the gold standard on this topic--he was instrumental in making the Lawrence of Arabia BD release into the outstanding example of how great hi-def can be, for example).
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Old September 21 2013, 04:14 PM   #387
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I hate the TUC Blu transfer too. It's so ugly, in my opinion.
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Old September 21 2013, 05:24 PM   #388
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness out on Blu-ray/DVD September 10th [spoiler

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Now the thing to be genuinely pissed off @ Paramount for is the awful Blu-Ray quality of the majority of the old Trek movies because they used old DVD 1080i masters and digitally scrubbed (DNR) all the detail away instead of re-scanning them all at 4K. If anything should be skipped its them! TWOK is the exception as it was rescanned at 4k. The rest look like shit.
I'm not going to get into the tech stuff, but just in layman's terms, it all doens't amtter because the resulyt is exactly the opposite of what you say here:

TWOK is the worst-looking blue-ray of all the Star Trek films, with it's overly-blue washed out look. Even Regula, and the ships orbiting it, seem smeared in blue. It looks like a pain of translucent glass has been placed between the viewer and the drama!

It's not just the worst Star Trek film on Blue-ray, it's the worst-looking blue-ray in my collection
I noticed the blue in TWOK but colour issues aside it is by far the best looking movie in the blu-ray set. It might be possible to use some form of software or filter on a blu-ray player or computer to return it to the more red colour it was on the DVD?

Put TUC in your player and tell me that doesn't look like shit? It is one of the worst examples of DNR ever!
Put this in perspective. I only got into blue-ray recently. I got the Star Trek 2 combo pack on DVD for a song (same basic cover design as the blue-ray release) and the blue was there as well.. it was all over the place. It wasn't just the blue-ray, it was the color timing of the remastered release. Everything, from the ships to the planetoid, look blue, and washed out. Fixing the settings on my TV or player aren't the issue.
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Old September 21 2013, 07:48 PM   #389
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If not "abysmal", then I guess "terrible" will have to suffice.
No, not "terrible" either. "Average" or "mediocre" is far more suitable terminology.

Whatever, I'm sure I'll get vociferously shouted down by those who want to proclaim how dreadful and awful the TUC Blu-ray transfer is. Indeed, the sometimes laughable and hysterical overreactions to the disc have been around since release date. Hey-ho.
Have to agree with, LOKAI of CHERON here.

The film isn't as crisp as the Abramsverse films on Blu-ray, but it looks ten times better than the DVD version.
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Old September 21 2013, 08:58 PM   #390
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Well I guess we have to agree to disagree here re: TOS movie blurays. TUC in particular is utterly totally abysmal quality to the power of 10 IMHO. It is a shocking release by Paramount (TOS movies) because they couldn't spend a small bit of money on rescanning it. You/we should not let them get away with it, but I guess they will based on these comments!
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