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Old September 19 2013, 04:04 PM   #31
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I imagine the Spock/Uhura romance in JJTrek is far more a nod to hints in early TOS of a romance between Spock and Uhura, then it is a nod to the forced kiss in Plato's Step-Children
It definitely IS.
Orci said that it also fit with this Spock's arc because, in his words, "boys marry their mothers and his mother was human". I think it's a nod to Sarek/Amanda too.
I don't have that quote to copy and paste here but he said once that they were trying to harmonize with canon as in tos the first interracial kiss was Kirk/Uhura while in the reboot the first interracial kiss and couple is Spock/Uhura instead.
In the 60s the K/U kiss even if forced was groundbreaking and has became iconic because of the time where it happened. Nowadays the same thing wouldn't have the same effect. You need an actual interracial romance if you want to be progressive and they have made one with.. SPOCK
Compared to that, a romance with characters like Kirk is a given. It surely can't be such a shock or that unpredictable (and wouldn't gain a parody made by the Simpson )


Tbh, if I were to make a reboot of a franchise like star trek, star wars and anything of similar genre and I wanted to add a bit of romance, I think that my own choice would be to have one between a human and an alien instead of one between two humans. If you have an universe with different worlds and races, where is the fun in having only human characters and human relationships? None, it's Nicholas Sparks in space.
Furthermore, if you need to keep the romance part subtle, then a character like Spock surely helps because his alieness creates a perfect excuse to not make him a too sappy man and not have too many romantic scenes. You can have the cake and eat it too, basically.
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Old September 20 2013, 11:05 PM   #32
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I HATE the idea of killing off Carol to further Kirk's story. "Lets fridge the female love interest, even if she interesting in her own right, to cause the main male character angst." That's SO ORIGINAL.
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Old September 20 2013, 11:29 PM   #33
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I HATE the idea of killing off Carol to further Kirk's story. "Lets fridge the female love interest, even if she interesting in her own right, to cause the main male character angst." That's SO ORIGINAL.
Since Kirk was filled with character angst in TOS, I don't have a problem with it and if we get there by offing someone he cares about... oh well.
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Old September 20 2013, 11:46 PM   #34
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THAT would be lazy and contrived, and a rehash of the original timeline (David anyone).
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Old September 21 2013, 12:14 AM   #35
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THAT would be lazy and contrived, and a rehash of the original timeline (David anyone).
Kirk's character angst from TOS wasn't driven by David's death.

Besides, like any other idea, it will all be in the execution.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:01 AM   #36
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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.

On a different note everyone here is saying this is a trilogy and thus the third film is the last JJ universe film. Personally I don't think we should set our sights on a trilogy. If the third film does as well as the other two then we're going to get a fourth film and perhaps even a fifth. Heck, the third film could even be the beginnings of a proper trilogy. They could shoot a back-to-back trilogy over a one year period if they're feeling really ambitious.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:05 AM   #37
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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.
They're PG-13 movies. A girl in her underwear is about as risque as they're going to get.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:05 AM   #38
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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.

On a different note everyone here is saying this is a trilogy and thus the third film is the last JJ universe film. Personally I don't think we should set our sights on a trilogy. If the third film does as well as the other two then we're going to get a fourth film and perhaps even a fifth. Heck, the third film could even be the beginnings of a proper trilogy. They could shoot a back-to-back trilogy over a one year period if they're feeling really ambitious.
Really? Carol in her bra and panties was that horrifying for you? As for STIII, how dare they show adults in a sexual relationship--I mean, I shudder at the horror of the thought.

As for films past three: If they can keep it entertaining, I say bring it on.

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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.
They're PG-13 movies. A girl in her underwear is about as risque as they're going to get.
Which is a shame. I'd be interested in a balls-to-the-walls R rated Trek movie with a good, controversial script, that just took the franchise beyond where it's been in terms of the type of story the writers were willing to risk.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:09 AM   #39
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Really? Carol in her bra and panties was that horrifying for you? As for STIII, how dare they show adults in a sexual relationship--I mean, I shudder at the horror of the thought.
Won't someone please think of the children!

I had a pic but I can't connect to Photobucket for some reason.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:10 AM   #40
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Which is a shame. I'd be interested in a balls-to-the-walls R rated Trek movie with a good, controversial script, that just took the franchise beyond where it's been in terms of the type of story the writers were willing to risk.
I'm not sure it's the writers. CBS and Paramount simply will never go in that direction with Trek.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:32 AM   #41
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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.

On a different note everyone here is saying this is a trilogy and thus the third film is the last JJ universe film. Personally I don't think we should set our sights on a trilogy. If the third film does as well as the other two then we're going to get a fourth film and perhaps even a fifth. Heck, the third film could even be the beginnings of a proper trilogy. They could shoot a back-to-back trilogy over a one year period if they're feeling really ambitious.
Really? Carol in her bra and panties was that horrifying for you? As for STIII, how dare they show adults in a sexual relationship--I mean, I shudder at the horror of the thought.

As for films past three: If they can keep it entertaining, I say bring it on.

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Hopefully they'll avoid Kirk/Carol, if we saw Carol in her undies in STID then I shudder to think what they will show in the next film.
They're PG-13 movies. A girl in her underwear is about as risque as they're going to get.
Which is a shame. I'd be interested in a balls-to-the-walls R rated Trek movie with a good, controversial script, that just took the franchise beyond where it's been in terms of the type of story the writers were willing to risk.
But with an R rating, you are limiting your audience and losing the "family oriented entertainment" quality. Entertainment for the entire family.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:41 AM   #42
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Yes, Carol in her underwear was so horrible. Its not like Star Trek has EVER had scantily clad women (and men) or Kirk being a ladies man before.
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Old September 21 2013, 02:12 AM   #43
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They're PG-13 movies. A girl in her underwear is about as risque as they're going to get.
Which is a shame. I'd be interested in a balls-to-the-walls R rated Trek movie with a good, controversial script, that just took the franchise beyond where it's been in terms of the type of story the writers were willing to risk.
But with an R rating, you are limiting your audience and losing the "family oriented entertainment" quality.
And it's not likely to happen any time soon, so climb back down off the "family entertainment" soapbox, if you would. You've more than made your position clear on that point already.
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Old September 21 2013, 02:39 AM   #44
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I HATE the idea of killing off Carol to further Kirk's story. "Lets fridge the female love interest, even if she interesting in her own right, to cause the main male character angst." That's SO ORIGINAL.
especially since they just killed off NuKirk's surrogate father figure Pike and had NuKirk actually die. I mean how much more agnst does the poor guy need.
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Old September 21 2013, 03:08 AM   #45
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I wouldn't mind if they went the romance route, but if they do, I expect it to be subtle and in the background.

nuTrek is already a love story between Kirk and Spock.

I do like Malaika's idea of someone (not necessarily Kirk) falling for someone really alien--and I don't mean in the Harry Kim kind of way.
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