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Old September 19 2013, 04:36 PM   #31
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Re: Where'd This Phase II Cutaway Come From...?

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I just don't get the "detour" of the power line near the photon torpedo launcher, I thought there'd be enough space between the launch tubes.
A couple of thoughts:

- That space is probably needed for access/maintenance of the the torpedo launch machinery.

- Probably a Bad Idea(tm) to put your main power conduit to the primary hull right between two of the most potentially dangerous items in the ship. If there were a premature detonation (even a partial yield) of a torp in one of the tubes, you're screwed.
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Old September 19 2013, 06:28 PM   #32
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Another thing to keep in mind is that the horizontal intermix shaft passes behind the center line turbo-lift shaft, which suggests (to me) that the artist is also going by an early concept sketch by Probert (I think) which shows two power feeds running along the space there and meeting just below the torpedo bay at the base of a vertical dorsal power shaft?
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Old September 19 2013, 07:30 PM   #33
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Also, in Phase II those aren't torpedo tubes, that was the phaser assembly. That feature was modified into the torpedo tubes for TMP.

In Phase II phasers acted like both beams and energy packets (like in Balance of Terror). The feature was added to give a physical location on the miniature for the effects people to work with as this was an issue during TOS (where the Enterprise miniature had no physical weapons visible). One of the biggest shortcomings I've seen with people attempting to complete the Phase II design is attempts to add features that Taylor and Probert came up with for TMP.
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Old September 19 2013, 08:57 PM   #34
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So nobody has been able to verify its authenticity? It is astonishingly clean and detailed.

My vote is fake, however. It doesn't appear to have a bowling alley.
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Old September 19 2013, 09:54 PM   #35
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^We covered this already. It's been verified as a fan creation:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=133267
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Old September 20 2013, 09:33 AM   #36
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Also, in Phase II those aren't torpedo tubes, that was the phaser assembly. That feature was modified into the torpedo tubes for TMP.

In Phase II phasers acted like both beams and energy packets (like in Balance of Terror). The feature was added to give a physical location on the miniature for the effects people to work with as this was an issue during TOS (where the Enterprise miniature had no physical weapons visible). One of the biggest shortcomings I've seen with people attempting to complete the Phase II design is attempts to add features that Taylor and Probert came up with for TMP.
True...so a true-to-Jefferies Phase II ship should have no TMP style phaser blisters.
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Old September 20 2013, 10:04 AM   #37
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Also, in Phase II those aren't torpedo tubes, that was the phaser assembly. That feature was modified into the torpedo tubes for TMP.
The Matt Jefferies sketch featuring this section does indeed suggest this.

At least we know how MJ envisioned what the phaser emitters should look like and they got these right on the TMP Enterprise, just not the actual location.

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Old September 20 2013, 03:26 PM   #38
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Fascinating, I'd never realized those were going to be phasers. Love the guy EVA'ing in the image you linked, Bob.
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Old September 20 2013, 05:13 PM   #39
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I wonder if the TMP bit about "increasing phaser power by channeling it through the main engines" was a left-over artifact of the idea that the phasers would be relocated to that site?
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Old September 20 2013, 05:44 PM   #40
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^^ Good point! Also, isn't it the general consensus that the "blister" on the bottom of the "sensor dome" of the TOS ship was originally intended to be a weapons turret?

Perhaps the only reason MJ added phaser blisters to different locations in his TMoST diagram was because the SPFX guys screwed up?

Fortunately, dialogue in various episodes supports multiple phaser/torpedo placements, so everything is covered.

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Old September 21 2013, 12:13 AM   #41
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I wonder if the TMP bit about "increasing phaser power by channeling it through the main engines" was a left-over artifact of the idea that the phasers would be relocated to that site?
That would really help me trying to make more sense out of this statement.

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Old September 21 2013, 01:23 AM   #42
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Y'know, in hindsight that "channeling power from the warp engines" makes me wonder - just where did the power come from in TOS?

I suppose maybe in the refit it was directly from the warp engines, whereas in TOS it would have made its way through the power distribution system and gradually maybe waste some energy along the way?
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Old September 21 2013, 01:38 AM   #43
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^Well, the warp reactor powered the actual warp drive. Other ship power probably came from fusion reactors.
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Old September 21 2013, 01:48 AM   #44
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...which is kind of interesting. Modern Trek seems to imply almost all the power comes from the warp reactor.
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Old September 21 2013, 04:07 AM   #45
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Well, I don't know for sure. That seems to be the way they do it in TNG -- we know the impulse drive is fusion-powered -- but I don't know what the intent was in TOS.

I mean, I don't think TMP was saying that phaser power was coming from the warp engines for the first time -- what they said was that the new design "increases phaser power by channelling it through the main engines." Channeling through is different from drawing from -- it implies that the mains are used as a booster rather than the original source. Or that the same power circuits are used for both, perhaps because they channel power more efficiently.

Now, the problematical thing is that the intermix chamber as shown in TMP has no visible connections to anything except the impulse engine and the warp nacelles -- plus whatever's at the bottom of the vertical shaft, which is evidently the matter and antimatter supplies. Other than that, it's just an unconnected tube. So where is this channeling of power taking place? I suppose it could be somewhere up in the saucer, since that's where the main phaser banks are, but what about the phasers on the engineering hull?

But the lack of connections does suggest that other ship systems -- like the deflector dish, say -- are powered independently.
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