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Old September 18 2013, 09:38 AM   #16
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

They got it right with Star Trek 09, and they were somewhat offski with STID so I'm a bit ambivalent. My main concern is where they're getting inspiration from the Star Trek source material; either from movies of TV series or perhaps both. Start poking around TNG, DS9 and VOY; I'm sure you will find something interesting and easy to adapt to the third film.

To be honest I only have three requests of them; more McCoy. Leonard McCoy is not one of my favourite ST characters but in the JJ universe he's one of my favourites simply because of what Kurl Urban has done with this very limited role. If STID gave Scotty more to do, which I liked, then I hope the third film will give McCoy more to do.

The second request would be to place Kirk and Spock a bit more in the background and focus on the other main characters. Otherwise it's going to be the Kirk/Spock show. Consider if Kirk and Spock were opposite ends of a taut string, McCoy would be pulling the centre of the string to get Kirk and Spock to converge. Or at least that's how it worked in TOS. That kind of dynamic or perhaps a foursome of characters would be interesting.

My third and final request is to end the cringeworthy Uhura/Spock romance. It did not work in ST 09 and it got in the way in STID.
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Old September 18 2013, 11:34 AM   #17
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

While I love the Spock/Uhura romance, I do agree we need to see more McCoy. Karl Urban is flawless.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:47 PM   #18
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While I love the Spock/Uhura romance, I do agree we need to see more McCoy. Karl Urban is flawless.
You should see Karl Urban in Dredd (the 2012 movie), that guy can act! Now I may be a Trekkie but sometimes I want to see total action pawnage and an entirely different fictional universe. Dredd is like the classic action films and it has pacing and moods. If STID had that kind of dramatic action, plus an ending which did not fizzle, it would be a MONSTER!

So for the next movie I want these writers to combine the style of Dredd with the look of the JJ universe and the higher aspects of Star Trek. Dredd ain't just a dumb action flick either it has poignant moments and in a mere 90 minutes it totally sells you to this universe. Though Orci and Kurtzmen may want to go easy on the violence, Dredd is brutal!

Alas these are only pipe dreams...
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Old September 18 2013, 01:34 PM   #19
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

To be expected I think. Nice to know that the 3rd of the three stooges will not be returning. I understand that using Khan was his idea. Good to see a resource like that gone.

A couple requests?

- Throw some techobabble in there that eliminates the stupid Khan superblood thing.

- Same for the brief-case sized transwarp thingy...

- End Spock/Uhura, please just end it.

- Oh, and an origional story would be nice.

Thank you.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:48 PM   #20
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

They've done just fine, and I like Spock/Uhura. It was teased at in the original timeline.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:53 PM   #21
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I'm afraid transwarp beaming is here to stay.

Or at least the math is.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:57 PM   #22
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The second request would be to place Kirk and Spock a bit more in the background and focus on the other main characters.
It is the Kirk and Spock show, they are the iconic characters. No one in the general audiences really care about the background characters.
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Old September 18 2013, 06:13 PM   #23
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

I liked the first movie better and the first movie was written by Orci and Kurtman only so....

To tell the truth, I don't really feel anything. I'm just glad that Lindelof isn't involved since I can bet that most of what I didn't like in the last movie was his fault (and Orci more or less confirmed it so..)

I'm tiny bit more worried about JJ not directing it because we don't know who will replace him yet and it could be some very mediocre guy. Personally I think that a trilogy is better when handled, written and directed by the same guys if only for the sake of having a definite style but that's me.

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The second request would be to place Kirk and Spock a bit more in the background and focus on the other main characters.
It is the Kirk and Spock show, they are the iconic characters. No one in the general audiences really care about the background characters.
define "no one" I care about the background characters too and if fanworks/fan communities are any hint of it, I'm not the only one. In the star trek reboot fandom Uhura and Bones are almost as popular as Kirk and Spock and a lot of people want to see more of the other characters too.
Many different opinions for sure, far from a "no one".
From some perspective, too much focus on K/S alone can be not only problematic and a huge hinderance for the franchise and these characters, it also makes their relationship terribly forced and pretentious as hell in the eyes of a modern audience (so Ln X might be onto something with this point)

I think that the general audience, meaning non-hardcore trek fans and people that got interested in the franchise thank to the 09 reboot - and thus don't have the same emotional attachment to these characters that trekkies do - are precisely the ones who care about the ensemble not just Kirk and/or Spock (there are tons of Spock/Quinto fans that could care less about Kirk and viceversa ).
Besides, the Kirk/Spock show (or more like the Shatner's show) was a result of its time. Last time I checked we were in the 2013 and I thought I was watching a modern reboot.
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Old September 18 2013, 06:15 PM   #24
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

Notice I said "general audiences".
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Old September 18 2013, 06:59 PM   #25
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While I love the Spock/Uhura romance, I do agree we need to see more McCoy. Karl Urban is flawless.
You should see Karl Urban in Dredd (the 2012 movie), that guy can act! Now I may be a Trekkie but sometimes I want to see total action pawnage and an entirely different fictional universe. Dredd is like the classic action films and it has pacing and moods. If STID had that kind of dramatic action, plus an ending which did not fizzle, it would be a MONSTER!

So for the next movie I want these writers to combine the style of Dredd with the look of the JJ universe and the higher aspects of Star Trek. Dredd ain't just a dumb action flick either it has poignant moments and in a mere 90 minutes it totally sells you to this universe. Though Orci and Kurtzmen may want to go easy on the violence, Dredd is brutal!

Alas these are only pipe dreams...
I've seen Dredd, and it is one of my favorite films of 2012. I remembered seeing the cringe-worthy (IMO) Judge Dredd in 1995, and that was my experience with the Dredd series (having never read the comics at that point). Still, I had seen ST09 and loved it, especially Karl Urban's performance, and was willing to give it a chance. I was mightily impressed. Seriously, Karl pulled off a great character, and I'm with those who want to see a Dredd sequel, though it is very unlikely to happen since the movie didn't earn a profit.
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Re: how do people feel about robert orci and Kurtzmen returning?

Can't wait for another movie, agree that we need to see more McCoy (*I am in no way motivated by the fact *J.Allen* points out about Mr. Urban's flawless dreaminess . . . ); would add that I would also like to see more Scotty.
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Old September 18 2013, 10:55 PM   #27
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While I love the Spock/Uhura romance, I do agree we need to see more McCoy. Karl Urban is flawless.
You should see Karl Urban in Dredd (the 2012 movie), that guy can act! Now I may be a Trekkie but sometimes I want to see total action pawnage and an entirely different fictional universe. Dredd is like the classic action films and it has pacing and moods. If STID had that kind of dramatic action, plus an ending which did not fizzle, it would be a MONSTER!

So for the next movie I want these writers to combine the style of Dredd with the look of the JJ universe and the higher aspects of Star Trek. Dredd ain't just a dumb action flick either it has poignant moments and in a mere 90 minutes it totally sells you to this universe. Though Orci and Kurtzmen may want to go easy on the violence, Dredd is brutal!

Alas these are only pipe dreams...
I've seen Dredd, and it is one of my favorite films of 2012. I remembered seeing the cringe-worthy (IMO) Judge Dredd in 1995, and that was my experience with the Dredd series (having never read the comics at that point). Still, I had seen ST09 and loved it, especially Karl Urban's performance, and was willing to give it a chance. I was mightily impressed. Seriously, Karl pulled off a great character, and I'm with those who want to see a Dredd sequel, though it is very unlikely to happen since the movie didn't earn a profit.
Dredd sequel is probably one of two films I am eagerly awaiting, that and the second Hobbit film. It's rare I look forward to something new on the horizon but my hopes are raised!
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Old September 18 2013, 11:31 PM   #28
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I was incredibly disappointed with Dredd, it felt like a bad The Warriors rip-off. I thought Judge Dredd was the better of the two films. More original and more fun.
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Old September 20 2013, 02:08 AM   #29
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I am suprised at all the positive coments for the movie. Its nice to know that theres one place on the internet that hasnt been tooken over by new trek haters.
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I am suprised at all the positive coments for the movie. Its nice to know that theres one place on the internet that hasnt been tooken over by new trek haters.
I'm not a new trek hater, but I reserve the right to not like the ending of STID.
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