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Old September 18 2013, 04:42 PM   #1
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could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

I put that in quotes since obviously nobody really knows what real aliens actually look like. What i mean is, aliens that clearly are not human actors with styrofoam on their heads speaking english.

Do you feel the fans would accept that, something that communicates but does not speak, not at all human, maybe corporeal maybe just light. We've seen such things on Trek, the Medusans, The Companion, the shimmering thing that made the humans and klingons fight, Redjacks true form etc but they still had to influence something bipedal and then we learned of their intents through the people.

It would make for slow storytelling, first contact would take months instead of an episode which would be a nice change in itself. I would just love to see Trek do more than endlessly project 20th century political and social issues in the "future".
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Old September 18 2013, 04:45 PM   #2
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

Aliens made of LIGHT has to be the laziest thing ever. I imagine TOS kept doing that since it was cheap to do instead of being imaginative!
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Old September 18 2013, 05:45 PM   #3
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

Yes.
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Babylon 5.
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Old September 18 2013, 06:15 PM   #4
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

If they can just scrape together enough money ... sure.

The fans would accept the new alien if the production crew did a reasonable job in depicting it. Would it have to be perfect, not for most of the fans (some small number will alway bitch).

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Old September 19 2013, 12:40 AM   #5
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

Budgetary restraints were always the problem with Trek aliens. While the craft is willing to create such aliens, the accountants may not be.
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Old September 19 2013, 01:20 AM   #6
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

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Yes.
Farscape.
Babylon 5.
In Farscape they used puppets. They were better concepts for aliens but terrible implementations.
That was the one thing about the show that put me off it. They also had a heap of alien races that looked exactly human.
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Old September 19 2013, 03:17 AM   #7
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

Oh, who cares? Even the shows that do go in for imaginative aliens always have someone who is just a human in an obvious costume. Yeah, we all get tired of the vagina-headed aliens of the week, but truly "alien" aliens can get just as tedious and boring. Just look at Stargate Universe, its aliens were CG and never spoke English. And it was boring.

The solution is better writing that utilizes the weakness of a budget and turns it into a strength, not gimmicky attempts at creating a realistic alien.
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Old September 19 2013, 04:25 AM   #8
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

The not speaking english is hard since it's hard to interact with them from a storytelling perspective. Enterprise half heartedly tried this for awhile before finally just dropping it. With CGI these days? The truly alien creatures are possible, now, sure.
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Old September 19 2013, 05:01 AM   #9
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

You're forgetting the Sheliac. And, of course, Armus. Though there were humans under the suits, it was really hard to tell.
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Old September 19 2013, 05:13 AM   #10
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

JT Perfecthair wrote: View Post
I put that in quotes since obviously nobody really knows what real aliens actually look like. What i mean is, aliens that clearly are not human actors with styrofoam on their heads speaking english.

Do you feel the fans would accept that, something that communicates but does not speak, not at all human, maybe corporeal maybe just light. We've seen such things on Trek, the Medusans, The Companion, the shimmering thing that made the humans and klingons fight, Redjacks true form etc but they still had to influence something bipedal and then we learned of their intents through the people.

It would make for slow storytelling, first contact would take months instead of an episode which would be a nice change in itself. I would just love to see Trek do more than endlessly project 20th century political and social issues in the "future".
Like the Horta?
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Old September 19 2013, 06:33 AM   #11
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

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The not speaking english is hard since it's hard to interact with them from a storytelling perspective. Enterprise half heartedly tried this for awhile before finally just dropping it. With CGI these days? The truly alien creatures are possible, now, sure.
I even preferred the Gorn on TOS to the CGI one on ENT.

You have Gollum in Lord of the Rings and this was obviously a very costly enterprise. And he was a mad bastard so you expected him to be not quite right. If you wanted say Spock who appeared in practically every scene in TOS to be CGI'd then he'd have to be spot on for you to relate to him.

I don't think we have that technology now but we may have a more realistic cheaper CGI in the future.
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Old September 19 2013, 08:02 AM   #12
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

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Yes.
Farscape.
Babylon 5.
I loved the puppets on FarScape. The likes of Pilot and Rygel had far more development and depth than Mayweather or Kim. I'm on a mammoth rewatch of the series at the moment and I find that I forget/ignore the fact that they are puppets because they were done so well.
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Old September 19 2013, 08:05 AM   #13
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

As for communication, the UT makes it possible for aliens in Trek to talk to one another, so if they did have a language it could be interpreted. If they didn't then the cast would need to include either a telepath (to communicate mentally with them) or a specialist in non-verbal communication (which would most likely be a counsellor, diplomatic officer or cultural specialist).
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Old September 19 2013, 09:31 AM   #14
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Aliens that are light. I just hope Orci, Kurtzman or JJ don't read this.
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I think Voyager did it already with the Equinox.
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Old September 19 2013, 11:12 AM   #15
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Re: could they do a show with "realistic" aliens?

Despite the limited budget for a more realistic costume I really thought the Excalbians from "The Savage Curtain" were really alien.

Or you take the Shadows of Babylon 5.

That is that their thinking and understanding was very different from ours, while usually Trek aliens are rather "mirrors" of ourselves and our ethnic variations.

What was really great about Solaris (not the George Clooney travesty but the original Russian film) and a bigger theme in Stanislaw Lem's story was that the ocean intelligence covering the planet was so alien, that human science couldn't find a way to establish communication.

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