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Old September 18 2013, 12:03 PM   #61
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Re: No More Wrath of Khan Homages

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Why can't SOMEONE make a homage to another popular Trek film. Such as TVH.
They wanted to, but Adele wasn't available.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:13 PM   #62
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..and we're all supposed to line up and praise this thing because it made money...
I praise it because both the critics and public at large thought it was the best blockbuster of the summer
So you only like because other people do?
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Old September 18 2013, 12:24 PM   #63
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..and we're all supposed to line up and praise this thing because it made money...
I praise it because both the critics and public at large thought it was the best blockbuster of the summer. Any monetary considerations are icing on the cake.
Hmmm.... I like or dislike something because I like or dislike it. I don't really care what "the critics" say.
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Old September 18 2013, 12:39 PM   #64
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Hmmm.... I like or dislike something because I like or dislike it. I don't really care what "the critics" say.
I read reviews because I appreciate different perspectives, but I too like to make up my own mind. Just like I made my mind about Bridesmaids 45 minutes in when I decided that this critically acclaimed pile of unfunny already killed too many of my brain cells and pressed the stop button.
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Old September 18 2013, 01:16 PM   #65
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In the past I've spoken up on this forum regarding my disdain for Abrams and his whole reboot concept. I continue to fail when attempting to find any real talent there, on the contrary, I continue to see more and more hype. The guy lacks originality. Roddenberry, for all his faults, created Star Trek out of fresh ideas built on previous success (putting the popular westerns of the time in a new venue). Abrams has NO new ideas, just rehash of the old (even the lens flares are old, it's just that most directors attempted to avoid camera aberrations that exposed the medium to the audience, breaking the third wall as it were). He turns canon on its head, that's all. That doesn't take talent for anything other than the ability to manipulate the expectations of others. When perusing the comments of this thread it's deja vu all over again, "how can we redo movie whatever?" "How can we use the Klingons, Borg, Dominion, Phineas and Ferb?" "Maybe Sulu should have a crush on Chekov." etc. I'll be impressed with Abrams if he ever develops a truly original idea regarding Trek. It can happen. Q, the Borg, DS9 are all examples of original and good ideas that developed into canon. When Abrams or any of the writers can find a way to bring new life to Trek without resurrecting characters or concepts then they can be said to have made a truly original contribution.
Thus ended the rant...
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Old September 18 2013, 01:18 PM   #66
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Roddenberry, for all his faults, created Star Trek out of fresh ideas
You've never seen Forbidden Planet, have you? Or read Hornblower for that matter.
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Old September 18 2013, 01:30 PM   #67
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Roddenberry, for all his faults, created Star Trek out of fresh ideas
You've never seen Forbidden Planet, have you? Or read Hornblower for that matter.
Don't take quotes out of context for the convenience of your argument. What did I write IMMEDIATELY after what you hand picked for your response?
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Old September 18 2013, 01:34 PM   #68
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What did I write IMMEDIATELY after what you hand picked for your response?
Something about westerns.
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Old September 18 2013, 01:38 PM   #69
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Roddenberry, for all his faults, created Star Trek out of fresh ideas
You've never seen Forbidden Planet, have you? Or read Hornblower for that matter.
Don't take quotes out of context for the convenience of your argument. What did I write IMMEDIATELY after what you hand picked for your response?
Someone needs to go watch Forbidden Planet.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:15 PM   #70
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You've never seen Forbidden Planet, have you? Or read Hornblower for that matter.
Don't take quotes out of context for the convenience of your argument. What did I write IMMEDIATELY after what you hand picked for your response?
Someone needs to go watch Forbidden Planet.
Been there, done that, currently using the t-shirt to wash my car.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:58 PM   #71
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Been there, done that, currently using the t-shirt to wash my car.
The safest thing to say is that Roddenberry didn't create Star Trek in a vacuum.
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Old September 18 2013, 03:16 PM   #72
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Been there, done that, currently using the t-shirt to wash my car.
The safest thing to say is that Roddenberry didn't create Star Trek in a vacuum.
Or maybe a vaccuum is exactly where he created it. He sucked up a little Forbidden Planet, a little Horatio Hornblower, a little bit of Westerns and threw in skimpy outfits on alien babes
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Old September 18 2013, 03:18 PM   #73
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Been there, done that, currently using the t-shirt to wash my car.
The safest thing to say is that Roddenberry didn't create Star Trek in a vacuum.
Or maybe a vaccuum is exactly where he created it. He sucked up a little Forbidden Planet, a little Horatio Hornblower, a little bit of Westerns and threw in skimpy outfits on alien babes
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Old September 18 2013, 03:22 PM   #74
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Re: No More Wrath of Khan Homages

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In the past I've spoken up on this forum regarding my disdain for Abrams and his whole reboot concept. I continue to fail when attempting to find any real talent there, on the contrary, I continue to see more and more hype. The guy lacks originality. Roddenberry, for all his faults, created Star Trek out of fresh ideas built on previous success (putting the popular westerns of the time in a new venue). Abrams has NO new ideas, just rehash of the old (even the lens flares are old, it's just that most directors attempted to avoid camera aberrations that exposed the medium to the audience, breaking the third wall as it were). He turns canon on its head, that's all. That doesn't take talent for anything other than the ability to manipulate the expectations of others. When perusing the comments of this thread it's deja vu all over again, "how can we redo movie whatever?" "How can we use the Klingons, Borg, Dominion, Phineas and Ferb?" "Maybe Sulu should have a crush on Chekov." etc. I'll be impressed with Abrams if he ever develops a truly original idea regarding Trek. It can happen. Q, the Borg, DS9 are all examples of original and good ideas that developed into canon. When Abrams or any of the writers can find a way to bring new life to Trek without resurrecting characters or concepts then they can be said to have made a truly original contribution.
Thus ended the rant...
Wait, Roddenberry was king of recycling. The Motion Picture was a remake of The Changling, Riker and Troi were refried Decker and Illia, Q was Trelane and the second episode of TNG was a blantant remake of a TOS episode.
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Old September 18 2013, 03:30 PM   #75
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Roddenberry did it out of artistic integrity. Abrams does it because he's a hack.
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