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Old September 17 2013, 12:30 AM   #16
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Re: Why does Scotty take Peter Preston to the bridge?

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A lame but practical rationalization: The turbolifts were at that point malfunctioning, and would later be taken offline. Scotty got sent to the bridge accidentally, or it was the closest he could get to sickbay.
This is the explanation I've always went with.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:58 AM   #17
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It might have served some "See what you have done, now we all pay the price for your negligence" context in the film.
It plays to me like this was sorta Scotty's point to Kirk. That said, Scotty knows what it's like to sit in the big chair, and I don't think he would blame Kirk for everything that happened; Khan had gotten the better of Kirk, pure and simple. In that sense, Scotty's really reminding Kirk of the price of everything that's happening, I think.

Also, the scene makes sense to me only if Scotty already knows that Peter's wounds are surely fatal.

Not to mention, no doubt Scotty was just really grief stricken, and in shock, as others have said.
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Old September 17 2013, 11:11 PM   #18
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I don't think there's any good, in-universe explanation - I'd hate to think that the ship's chief engineer would react in that manner under any circumstances. He's had many years of emergencies before this event, and I just don't see him doing what's shown here; even though it's his nephew who's injured.
Chief engineer or no, he's human. Kirk fell in the middle of his bridge and started sobbing after he learned David had been killed. He also ran toward the power conduit where Spock was dying even though opening the door would have flooded the entire engineering section with lethal radiation. He was stopped only because Scotty and McCoy held him back. Didn't he have years of experience, too?

What Scotty did may not make sense. But that's the point. People react strangely when they're in shock. When that shock is precipitated by the death of a close friend or family member, any job training or experience goes right out the window.

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That still doesn't work for me. Kirk's reaction on the bridge, and in engineering were both immediate reactions to unforseen circumstances. Scotty's reaction to bringing Preston's body to the bridge is considered and time-consuming - and by going from Engineering to the Bridge, he had to pass Sick Bay. Or he was at least closer to it in transit than he was by the time he reached the bridge.

But no matter, we're debating (IMO) an artistic decision. Interestingly and coincidently, I've been reading the novelization of The Wrath of Khan, and just read through the scene in question. I've got to say I much prefer Vonda McIntyre's treatment to the filmed version. In the book she has Kirk and Spock going to Engineering immediately after the battle - to assess damage. They're met at the turbolift door in Engineering by Scotty with Peter in his arms. Scotty says has not been able to reach Dr. McCoy and he must get Peter to Sick Bay. Spock takes Peter from Scotty's arms and they all head directly to Sick Bay. Well written, and still dramatic - I wish this is how the scene was filmed for the movie. I don't know if this was the author's interpretation, or if this part was in the shooting script, but changed. Does anyone know?
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Old September 18 2013, 01:34 AM   #19
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That still doesn't work for me. Kirk's reaction on the bridge, and in engineering were both immediate reactions to unforseen circumstances. Scotty's reaction to bringing Preston's body to the bridge is considered and time-consuming - and by going from Engineering to the Bridge, he had to pass Sick Bay. Or he was at least closer to it in transit than he was by the time he reached the bridge.
I'm not sure how you're drawing that conclusion. We never actually see the moment when Peter is injured. There are multiple shots of him trying to help his shipmates after the initial phaser volley strikes the engineering section as several of the cadets are shouting that they "can't breathe" or "need air." Scotty's voice can be heard over the commotion urging them to use the respirators built into their suits and to stay at their posts, which he later tells Kirk that only Peter does.

Without knowing when Peter was hurt, it's difficult to know how much time Scotty had to react or to consider what he was doing. We hear him talking to Kirk via the comm system, but there's no way to know if he'd learned what happened to Peter by then.

This incident reminds me of something that happened a few years ago. I'm a pediatrician by trade. One of my patients during my residency was a young girl who ended up in the ICU due to uncontrolled seizures precipitated by a prolonged illness and poor nutrition. The first of her seizures happened at home. Another happened after her mother put her in the car to take her to the hospital. It was during the second seizure episode that the mother decided to pull into a fire station to seek help, as she'd been driving by when the seizure started.

The girl was eventually transported to our hospital via helicopter after the firemen called 911 themselves. A number of my colleagues wondered why the mother hadn't called 911 herself while at home or merely continued to the hospital, as we found the entire sequence of events somewhat strange. What we concluded based on discussions with the mother was that she was so frightened by what was happening that her immediate thought was to seek help for her daughter, which she tried to do by going to the fire station.

All rescue workers- firemen included- are trained in Basic Life Support (CPR), but most do not have the medical knowledge needed to treat seizures unless they've also completed training as an EMT (I know one or two people who've done this). This is why we were puzzled by the mother's decision to go to the fire station instead of calling 911 from either home or from her cell phone while in the car. But in hindsight, I can see why she took the actions she did. She knew her daughter needed help and went the first place she could find.

Scotty's situation strikes me as being somewhat similar. He knew Peter needed help but may have been too traumatized to go to sickbay or call for help while still in engineering. Whether the turbolifts being out contributed to the problem isn't clear. We also don't know exactly where McCoy was. He was on the bridge immediately before the attack began (he's clearly seen standing behind Kirk as the latter orders Yellow Alert) but seems to be entering the turbolift as soon the the phaser strike begins. When or how he made it to sickbay isn't known. In any case, Scotty may have been under the impression that he was still on the bridge or that he could go to Kirk for help (as he might under different circumstances).

I realize it doesn't make perfect sense, and that's why people have a problem with it. But what I keep coming back to is this: not everything in real life makes sense. Movies aren't real life, but they're meant to depict real life as closely as possible (even in the twenty third century). That entails leaving some loose ends lying around and not providing explanations for every single event that occurs. Doing so makes things seem forced and contrived, which makes for bad storytelling. Now, I don't condone leaving huge plot-holes lying around, but the occasional oddity is acceptable for the reasons I've mentioned above. There simply isn't a way to make sense of everything that happens in a situation. It'd be nice if all the puzzle pieces fit. Sometimes they don't.

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Old September 18 2013, 05:11 AM   #20
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Re: Why does Scotty take Peter Preston to the bridge?

He probably thought McCoy would be on the bridge. Face it, Bones was there more often than he was in sickbay.
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Old September 18 2013, 11:11 AM   #21
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I don't know if this was the author's interpretation, or if this part was in the shooting script, but changed. Does anyone know?
I'd like to know the answer myself. Recently I had been rereading the scene where Kirk asks Scotty to fix the main energizer but Scotty disobeys because of the lethal radiation levels in the energizer room.

It has the feel of a deleted scene and I believe that Vonda McIntyre based her novelization on an early script but some scenes were altered last minute prior to shooting. Admittedly, Scotty blocking the turbo lift and holding the dying body of his nephew added drama and a surprise effect to the final scene.

"In-universe" I think Workbee provided a sound and very good rationalization.
Of course I wonder if Scotty had been done with all the critical and instantly required emergency repairs but that's a different story.

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Old September 19 2013, 02:59 AM   #22
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McCoy: "I'm sorry, Scotty. If only you'd gotten to sickbay just a few minutes earlier we might have been able to save him."
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Old September 19 2013, 11:52 PM   #23
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Re: Why does Scotty take Peter Preston to the bridge?

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A lame but practical rationalization: The turbolifts were at that point malfunctioning, and would later be taken offline. Scotty got sent to the bridge accidentally, or it was the closest he could get to sickbay.

A less lame, more dramatic rationalization: It was Peter's dying request to be taken to the bridge and/or to see the admiral. Scotty knew the kid didn't have a chance, so he fulfilled it.
If I remember correctly, this was explained this way in the novelization by Vonda McIntyre. (sp?) I don't think those books are considered canon, but that explanation works for me.
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Old September 20 2013, 02:18 AM   #24
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I don't see any explanation other than dramatic effect. And it was certainly a dramatic moment.
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Old September 20 2013, 02:53 AM   #25
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"Don't worry, laddie, I'll get ye ta sickbay on time...I know this ship like the back of me hand..."

[Turbolift door opens onto the bridge.]

"Ah, sh!t...."
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Re: Why does Scotty take Peter Preston to the bridge?

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A lame but practical rationalization: The turbolifts were at that point malfunctioning, and would later be taken offline. Scotty got sent to the bridge accidentally, or it was the closest he could get to sickbay.

A less lame, more dramatic rationalization: It was Peter's dying request to be taken to the bridge and/or to see the admiral. Scotty knew the kid didn't have a chance, so he fulfilled it.
If I remember correctly, this was explained this way in the novelization by Vonda McIntyre. (sp?) I don't think those books are considered canon, but that explanation works for me.
Iirc the novelization also explains that Peter was exposed to escaping coolant gasses which pretty much frakked up his lungs and that there wasn't much else McCoy could do.
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Old September 23 2013, 07:47 PM   #27
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He probably thought McCoy would be on the bridge. Face it, Bones was there more often than he was in sickbay.
That's the best explanation I've heard yet.
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