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Old September 17 2013, 09:22 PM   #76
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Re: No Radiation Suits In The 23rd Century?

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I'm stunned the Federation didn't continue research on the Genesis device. Done properly it is literally a miracle device.
Or a frightful weapon.

Transwarp beam one of those puppies onto each of the Klingon worlds and you have a bunch of newly habitable colony worlds.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:28 PM   #77
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Re: No Radiation Suits In The 23rd Century?

Indeed. You kind of wonder how the Federation avoided war with the Klingons after they became aware of the project.

Now I'm thinking it might have been more interesting if the Feds and Klingons had moved closer to a full-scale war than is depicted in TUC in part because of Genesis at the time Praxis exploded.

For that matter, was TUC hindered because we'd already seen TNG and knew how things with the Klingons were going to work out?
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Old September 17 2013, 09:31 PM   #78
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Indeed. You kind of wonder how the Federation avoided war with the Klingons after they became aware of the project.
I think they barely avoided war. First, a group of Klingons attempted to steal the secrets of the device for the Empire, but were sidelined by Kirk. The Klingon ambassador vowed there would be no peace as long as Kirk lived. Things were headed south, but the winds changed when Praxis exploded.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:41 PM   #79
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Re: No Radiation Suits In The 23rd Century?

My understanding is roughly 7 years pass between TVH and TUC. That's a long time to be "barely avoiding" war, especially with a race as volatile as the Klingons.

Then again, I guess our own Cold War wasn't exactly short...but then, both sides had equally devastating WMDs to play with.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:43 PM   #80
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My understanding is roughly 7 years pass between TVH and TUC. That's a long time to be "barely avoiding" war, especially with a race as volatile as the Klingons.

Then again, I guess our own Cold War wasn't exactly short...but then, both sides had equally devastating WMDs to play with.
Perhaps the Federation just handed over the schematics to the Genesis torpedo?
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Old September 17 2013, 09:50 PM   #81
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I'm stunned the Federation didn't continue research on the Genesis device. Done properly it is literally a miracle device.
Or a frightful weapon.

Transwarp beam one of those puppies onto each of the Klingon worlds and you have a bunch of newly habitable colony worlds.
They could make it so it only worked on lifeless planets or some sort of safety protocols.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:52 PM   #82
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They could make it so it only worked on lifeless planets or some sort of safety protocols.
Yeah. But a good hacker would probably work his/her way around those safety protocols in minutes.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:00 PM   #83
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They could make it so it only worked on lifeless planets or some sort of safety protocols.
Yeah. But a good hacker would probably work his/her way around those safety protocols in minutes.
They can technobabble it away, works with everything else in that universe.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:08 PM   #84
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
I imagine people felt much the same when Spock suddenly had the powers to download an entire copy of his conciousness into Dr. McCoy.

I'll also point out that Augment healing blood ties in very neatly with what Arik Soong said about Henry Archer's death in "Cold Station 12"
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Old September 17 2013, 10:11 PM   #85
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
Genesis was made to restore Spock to that just perfect age so Leonard Nimoy could resume playing the character after dying?

Well, Spock was that age when he was exposed to the Genesis radiation. Makes sense he would age back up TO that point when revived.
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Old September 17 2013, 10:21 PM   #86
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
I imagine people felt much the same when Spock suddenly had the powers to download an entire copy of his conciousness into Dr. McCoy.

I'll also point out that Augment healing blood ties in very neatly with what Arik Soong said about Henry Archer's death in "Cold Station 12"
It didn't really come out of nowhere, in other words?
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Old September 17 2013, 11:05 PM   #87
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and I'm not bitching about the blood. I'm debating whether TWOK Khan had it. From a plot perspective he didn't need it... Genesis provided the needed resolution.
Fair enough. This forum has me a little twitchy lately and sometimes I answer some posts in the wrong manor.

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Old September 17 2013, 11:07 PM   #88
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Come out of nowhere, hell, they telegraphed it from a mile away.
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Old September 18 2013, 02:26 AM   #89
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Khan's amazing re-cooperative abilities must come from something:

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KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.
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