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Old September 17 2013, 01:44 PM   #106
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Old September 17 2013, 01:57 PM   #107
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I wouldn't say she was the worst character but I think she was unnecessary. They could have had closure with the character with a couple of episode guest appearance versus all season long. DS9 had a lot of things to warp up in the last season and the Ezri plot line sort of got in the way.
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Old September 17 2013, 04:29 PM   #108
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I quite like her. I mean, granted, she's not Jadzia. She's nothing compared to Jadzia and it was the saddest thing ever when she died, but Ezri is still pretty cool I reckon.
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Old September 17 2013, 04:53 PM   #109
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Jadzia was soooo overrated
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Old September 17 2013, 04:59 PM   #110
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Old September 17 2013, 05:05 PM   #111
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I know everybody loves her but she irritated me. She was so good at everything, they guys all lusted after her, blech
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Old September 17 2013, 05:38 PM   #112
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Re: Absolute worst character in DS9 History: Ezri Dax

If we are talking strictly 'lust factor', I still preferred Ezri. Your initial response was correct, Jadzia was overrated.
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Old September 17 2013, 08:38 PM   #113
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Jadzia was soooo overrated
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I know everybody loves her but she irritated me. She was so good at everything, they guys all lusted after her, blech
I always thought Jadzia was overrated too. Terry Farrel is definitely cute, but the character's personality was just so... random. There were like three different versions of her and none of them merged together well. The aloof smart person who can figure out anything, the party girl who gets drunk and plays tongo with Quark, and the avenging valkyrie who fights with and hangs out with Klingons.

And chalking that off to the symbiont is just a cop out. Jadzia herself said in Playing God when she was training that Trill Initiate that while the symbiont influences them, the host is supposed to be disciplined enough to define themselves over it.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:13 PM   #114
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Well okay, I'll defend Jadzia, who is apparently not overrated at this point in the thread! Ouch! I did like Jadzia (though Kira is hotter)! :P To me, Worf was the key to bringing out the fun/spontaneous side of her personality/personalities. She was perhaps just a pretty face with brains in the beginning, but Worf really showed us how fun she could be. Plus she warmed up to the crew by then. The writing improved for her and I her acting improved and loosened up as well. She was fun when she wanted to be, feisty when she needed to be, impulsive when she was passionate about something (sometimes to a fault), but a good ear and counsel when friends needed her, and smart when it comes to solutions to big problems (but this "good at everything/know-it-all" trait is common with most Trek crew characters, so it's not unique). She did at times seem to have multiple personalities (though not as much as Ezri, and understandably so), and while Trill are "supposed to" be disciplined enough to define themselves over it, Jadzia was not always able to practice the discipline, and then sometimes she just chose not to. Yes, I liked Jadzia a lot, especially in the second half of her time on DS9. I was disappointed when she left the show and was replaced, so I really hated Ezri during the first watch. But on the re-watch she grew on me. And I'm glad they at least introduced a new female character in her place, even though it did slow down the progression of the story a bit.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:39 PM   #115
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I always thought Jadzia was overrated too. Terry Farrel is definitely cute, but the character's personality was just so... random. There were like three different versions of her and none of them merged together well. The aloof smart person who can figure out anything, the party girl who gets drunk and plays tongo with Quark, and the avenging valkyrie who fights with and hangs out with Klingons.

And chalking that off to the symbiont is just a cop out. Jadzia herself said in Playing God when she was training that Trill Initiate that while the symbiont influences them, the host is supposed to be disciplined enough to define themselves over it.
I blame Farrell for the most part. She is gorgeous, no doubt, but her acting chops are thin. She's pretty much admitted that she needed the help of the other actors (Brooks, Shimmerman, and Dorn in particular) to pull it off as well as she did.
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Old September 17 2013, 11:11 PM   #116
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I think when they decided to spice Jadzia up, they were said to have decided to "make her Errol Flynn."

It makes sense that there would be a certain degree of... inconsistency in a person who had lived previous lives as other people, but as others have indicated a greater degree of overall structure to the character would have been great. The whole "she's an old man in a young girl's body" gimmick played out pretty quick, IMO, and they didn't quite know what to do with her.

I don't think Farrell is a bad actress, actually. The best ever? Nah. But not bad.
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Old September 19 2013, 04:58 AM   #117
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the character's personality was just so... random. There were like three different versions of her and none of them merged together well. The aloof smart person who can figure out anything, the party girl who gets drunk and plays tongo with Quark, and the avenging valkyrie who fights with and hangs out with Klingons.
People in real life have multiple ways of acting in different situations, why can't a fictional person do the same? Jadzia Dax was a smarty-pants party girl who enjoyed hanging out with Klingons. Seems about right.
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Old September 19 2013, 06:47 AM   #118
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Sure.. there's a word for that too.. bipolar. Which Bashir quoted in Future Tense as being curable.
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Old September 19 2013, 06:53 AM   #119
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Sure.. there's a word for that too.. bipolar. Which Bashir quoted in Future Tense as being curable.
That obviously isn't true for Janeway.
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Old September 19 2013, 06:54 AM   #120
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Good point.
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