RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,375
Posts: 5,504,318
Members: 25,125
Currently online: 497
Newest member: Ted Dave

TrekToday headlines

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18

IDW Publishing March 2015 Comics
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Paramount Star Trek 3 Expectations
By: T'Bonz on Dec 17

Star Trek #39 Sneak Peek
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Star Trek 3 Potential Director Shortlist
By: T'Bonz on Dec 16

Official Starships Collection Update
By: T'Bonz on Dec 15

Retro Review: Prodigal Daughter
By: Michelle on Dec 13

Sindicate Lager To Debut In The US Next Week
By: T'Bonz on Dec 12

Rumor Mill: Saldana Gives Birth
By: T'Bonz on Dec 12

New Line of Anovos Enterprise Uniforms
By: T'Bonz on Dec 11


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 17 2013, 01:15 AM   #31
CorporalClegg
Admiral
 
CorporalClegg's Avatar
 
Location: Land of Enchantment
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Khan444 wrote: View Post
Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
__________________
Konnichi wa!
CorporalClegg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 01:44 AM   #32
Snow Miser
I'm Too Much
 
Snow Miser's Avatar
 
Location: Ice-related Pun
View Snow Miser's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Snow Miser Send a message via AIM to Snow Miser
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Is the idea that in the future we'll all be nice to each other really a visionary idea? I wasn't alive in the 60s, but was that a totally alien concept?
__________________
Have An Awesome Possum Holiday!
Snow Miser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 01:46 AM   #33
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
Khan444 wrote: View Post
Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
__________________
"...the most elementary and valuable statement in science, the beginning of wisdom, is I do not know." - Lt. Commander Data, "Where Silence Has Lease"
BillJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:04 AM   #34
Khan444
Lieutenant Commander
 
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Whatever, maybe visionary isn't the best word, so sue me. My point is, Gene had a lot of great ideas and is still talked about today. However, not every idea that he had was the right one.
Khan444 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:10 AM   #35
Devon
Fleet Captain
 
Devon's Avatar
 
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Khan444 wrote: View Post
My point is, Gene had a lot of great ideas
No, he didn't.
__________________
Follow my Star Trek Model builds, music, art and more at Devon's Corner.
Devon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:20 AM   #36
Khan444
Lieutenant Commander
 
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Yes, he did, but lets not start a huge argument over this. Again the point is that when some fans claim that "Rodenberry would be rolling over in his grave" at JJ's Trek, I don't necessarily think that's true, or that JJ has to follow Gene's way of doing things.
Khan444 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:23 AM   #37
Devon
Fleet Captain
 
Devon's Avatar
 
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

STiD was created for the money ...big bucks and for the mass audience at large, and this is fine to a degree. But it neglected the most important factor... Roddenberry' s ideology.
And this is why the rest of the world thinks we're morons, because of comments like that.
__________________
Follow my Star Trek Model builds, music, art and more at Devon's Corner.
Devon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:28 AM   #38
Snow Miser
I'm Too Much
 
Snow Miser's Avatar
 
Location: Ice-related Pun
View Snow Miser's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Snow Miser Send a message via AIM to Snow Miser
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

I'm thankful that the other fandoms I'm in don't have ideologies, I wish Trek would drop it as well. Trek is a franchise with some good stories, that's about it. It isn't a guide map to our future or even realistic on any level.
__________________
Have An Awesome Possum Holiday!
Snow Miser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:31 AM   #39
Sindatur
Vice Admiral
 
Sindatur's Avatar
 
Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Awesome Possum wrote: View Post
I'm thankful that the other fandoms I'm in don't have ideologies, I wish Trek would drop it as well. Trek is a franchise with some good stories, that's about it. It isn't a guide map to our future or even realistic on any level.
Blasphemy... BURN THE WITCH
__________________
One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am

Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket?
Sindatur is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 03:42 AM   #40
Snow Miser
I'm Too Much
 
Snow Miser's Avatar
 
Location: Ice-related Pun
View Snow Miser's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Snow Miser Send a message via AIM to Snow Miser
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

You'll never take me alive.
*hops on broom and flies away*
__________________
Have An Awesome Possum Holiday!
Snow Miser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 05:06 AM   #41
MauriceNavidad
Vice Admiral
 
MauriceNavidad's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
View MauriceNavidad's Twitter Profile
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

BillJ wrote: View Post
CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
Khan444 wrote: View Post
Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
Double this. In fact...THAT!
__________________
* * *
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
― Winston S. Churchill
MauriceNavidad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 05:32 AM   #42
Santa Claus
Believe
 
Santa Claus's Avatar
 
Location: J. Allen's Rooftop
Send a message via ICQ to Santa Claus Send a message via AIM to Santa Claus Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Santa Claus Send a message via Yahoo to Santa Claus
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Maurice wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
Double this. In fact...THAT!
All of these!

On a serious note, though, I do agree with Khan444 that Gene had some good ideas. Still, his best contribution, IMO, is the Star Trek franchise. It was a good idea that hit at the right time, and worked because the casting was right (on the second try), and the writing was solid. That's what made it all work.
__________________
---------
"I believe... I believe... It's silly, but I believe." - Susan Walker
---------
❄ A Joyful Holiday Season to You All! ❄

Santa Claus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 05:40 AM   #43
Snow Miser
I'm Too Much
 
Snow Miser's Avatar
 
Location: Ice-related Pun
View Snow Miser's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Snow Miser Send a message via AIM to Snow Miser
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Didn't a lot of Star Trek's concepts that remain popular to now come from Gene Coon? He's responsible for Klingons, the Federation and the Prime Directive.
__________________
Have An Awesome Possum Holiday!
Snow Miser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 06:13 AM   #44
Santa Claus
Believe
 
Santa Claus's Avatar
 
Location: J. Allen's Rooftop
Send a message via ICQ to Santa Claus Send a message via AIM to Santa Claus Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Santa Claus Send a message via Yahoo to Santa Claus
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

Awesome Possum wrote: View Post
Didn't a lot of Star Trek's concepts that remain popular to now come from Gene Coon? He's responsible for Klingons, the Federation and the Prime Directive.
Probably. Gene tended to surround himself with excellent people.
__________________
---------
"I believe... I believe... It's silly, but I believe." - Susan Walker
---------
❄ A Joyful Holiday Season to You All! ❄

Santa Claus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 17 2013, 07:19 AM   #45
Devon
Fleet Captain
 
Devon's Avatar
 
Re: STiD, Kirk and the Abrams Team

When pressed, about the only thing you'll be able to get out of someone harping on "Gene Roddenberry's Vision" and the reason they think Gene is god-like is because he 'dreamed of a future where man overcame their obstacles and all got along.' Hell, that's the hope of any message board moderator!
__________________
Follow my Star Trek Model builds, music, art and more at Devon's Corner.
Devon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:03 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.