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Old September 17 2013, 01:15 AM   #31
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Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:44 AM   #32
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Is the idea that in the future we'll all be nice to each other really a visionary idea? I wasn't alive in the 60s, but was that a totally alien concept?
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Old September 17 2013, 01:46 AM   #33
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Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:04 AM   #34
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Whatever, maybe visionary isn't the best word, so sue me. My point is, Gene had a lot of great ideas and is still talked about today. However, not every idea that he had was the right one.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:10 AM   #35
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My point is, Gene had a lot of great ideas
No, he didn't.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:20 AM   #36
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Yes, he did, but lets not start a huge argument over this. Again the point is that when some fans claim that "Rodenberry would be rolling over in his grave" at JJ's Trek, I don't necessarily think that's true, or that JJ has to follow Gene's way of doing things.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:23 AM   #37
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STiD was created for the money ...big bucks and for the mass audience at large, and this is fine to a degree. But it neglected the most important factor... Roddenberry' s ideology.
And this is why the rest of the world thinks we're morons, because of comments like that.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:28 AM   #38
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I'm thankful that the other fandoms I'm in don't have ideologies, I wish Trek would drop it as well. Trek is a franchise with some good stories, that's about it. It isn't a guide map to our future or even realistic on any level.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:31 AM   #39
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I'm thankful that the other fandoms I'm in don't have ideologies, I wish Trek would drop it as well. Trek is a franchise with some good stories, that's about it. It isn't a guide map to our future or even realistic on any level.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:42 AM   #40
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Gene Rodenberry was a visionary,
MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
Double this. In fact...THAT!
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Old September 17 2013, 05:32 AM   #42
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MLK was a visionary. Roddenberry used an easily palatable tag-line to help peddle his wares and started to believe his own rhetoric late in his life.
This.
Double this. In fact...THAT!
All of these!

On a serious note, though, I do agree with Khan444 that Gene had some good ideas. Still, his best contribution, IMO, is the Star Trek franchise. It was a good idea that hit at the right time, and worked because the casting was right (on the second try), and the writing was solid. That's what made it all work.
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Didn't a lot of Star Trek's concepts that remain popular to now come from Gene Coon? He's responsible for Klingons, the Federation and the Prime Directive.
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Didn't a lot of Star Trek's concepts that remain popular to now come from Gene Coon? He's responsible for Klingons, the Federation and the Prime Directive.
Probably. Gene tended to surround himself with excellent people.
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Old September 17 2013, 07:19 AM   #45
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When pressed, about the only thing you'll be able to get out of someone harping on "Gene Roddenberry's Vision" and the reason they think Gene is god-like is because he 'dreamed of a future where man overcame their obstacles and all got along.' Hell, that's the hope of any message board moderator!
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