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Old September 17 2013, 12:29 AM   #61
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It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?

The blood Khan has may be unique. The others may not have had its regenerative properties. Khan was a leader, after all. That's one possible explanation.

Another is that even with superblood, no one is immortal or invulnerable. Any number of things could have happened on a planet with such a volatile environment as Ceti Alpha V.

As for Ms. McGivers, for all we know, Khan had no idea his blood had that kind of regenerative capability.

Then again, perhaps Khan let her die because she wasn't strong enough to survive. He did see weakness as a failing.

Really, there are any number of explanations for these events.
No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:34 AM   #62
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No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
Everyone else on that bridge was dead except for Khan, so yes. Just yes.

The blood obviously does not make one immortal, but it does seem to make one more resilient to illness and damage. TWOK and STiD supports this.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:34 AM   #63
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No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
Everyone else on that bridge was dead except for Khan, so yes. Just yes.

The blood obviously does not make one immortal, but it does seem to make one more resilient to illness and damage. TWOK and STiD supports this.
I'm still not convinced about Khan in TWOK. In Space Seed, TOS McCoy would have had to have missed this during the course of his tests on Khan while in sickbay.
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Old September 17 2013, 05:34 AM   #64
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I'm still not convinced about Khan in TWOK. In Space Seed, TOS McCoy would have had to have missed this during the course of his tests on Khan while in sickbay.
I love him to pieces, but I'm sure McCoy missed a number of things that weren't convenient to the plot of a particular episode. Same for Kirk, Spock, et al. Remember "Tomorrow is Yesterday," where Spock conveniently forgot to check whether Captain Christopher would have sired children? Huge glaring oversight, and something any logical person would check, but nope, and why? It would have resolved the storyline without any drama.
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Old September 17 2013, 05:35 AM   #65
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No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
Having blood with regenerative properties doesn't make him Wolverine, capable of visibly healing grievous wounds in seconds. Half his face and body was burned extra crispy. That's gonna take a while. Kirk wasn't even visibly damaged from the radiation and he took a few weeks in a coma to recover.
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Old September 17 2013, 06:00 AM   #66
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No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
Everyone else on that bridge was dead except for Khan, so yes. Just yes.

The blood obviously does not make one immortal, but it does seem to make one more resilient to illness and damage. TWOK and STiD supports this.
I'm still not convinced about Khan in TWOK. In Space Seed, TOS McCoy would have had to have missed this during the course of his tests on Khan while in sickbay.
Maybe he didn't perform the same battery of tests that NuMcCoy did. Khan is aboard the Enterprise under different circumstances in each case. Khan in STID is terrorist/prisoner has exhibited some pretty amazing powers, while in "Space Seed" they had barely scratched the surface of what Khan could do and he is simply a guest.
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Old September 17 2013, 05:51 PM   #67
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No. If TWOK Khan had super blood he would have fared better when Kirk blasted Reliant's bridge. Or recovered noticeably during the Genesis countdown sequence. Just no.
Having blood with regenerative properties doesn't make him Wolverine, capable of visibly healing grievous wounds in seconds. Half his face and body was burned extra crispy. That's gonna take a while. Kirk wasn't even visibly damaged from the radiation and he took a few weeks in a coma to recover.
I love that people somehow are able to keep a straight face bitching about magic blood and yet are mentioning the magic terraforming torpedo in the very same paragraph.
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Old September 17 2013, 07:29 PM   #68
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
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Old September 17 2013, 07:41 PM   #69
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
They introduced the concept early in the movie. That's why Mickey blows up the Kelvin building, to get some for his sick daughter. So it isn't like Kirk dies and they suddenly introduce that Khan has magic blood. That detail is there from the beginning.
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Old September 17 2013, 08:21 PM   #70
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
Genesis was made to restore Spock to that just perfect age so Leonard Nimoy could resume playing the character after dying?

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A torpedo that has no warhead, that *vapourises* the entire surface of a planet in minutes, a more devastating weapon than anything the Federation had ever maufactuered before, somehow then magically, having been blown up itself, makes the surface "get better" just as fast, and produce complex cellular life.

Millions of years at least condensed into 5 minutes. From something that suicides itself instantly blasting away a planets surface?

That's more miraculous than genetically engineered blood that can give a boost to the body's already existing cell repair mechanism, that still takes time to recover and a fair amount of of pain anyway?

Fuck...ing...wow.
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Old September 17 2013, 08:33 PM   #72
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^ Well, I'll give them that, because the Genesis device is an actual piece of technology which was specifically made to do what it does. It terraforms planets because it was made for that purpose. Believe the science or not, but that alone makes it somewhat plausible.

Khan's blood, on the other hand, was totally out of left field.
Genesis was made to restore Spock to that just perfect age so Leonard Nimoy could resume playing the character after dying?

Thank you for pointing this out. So:

Genesis=Magic Blood=Bring Major Character Back To Life

and I'm not bitching about the blood. I'm debating whether TWOK Khan had it. From a plot perspective he didn't need it... Genesis provided the needed resolution.
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and I'm not bitching about the blood. I'm debating whether TWOK Khan had it. From a plot perspective he didn't need it... Genesis provided the needed resolution.
Fair enough. This forum has me a little twitchy lately and sometimes I answer some posts in the wrong manor.

Apologies.
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Millions of years at least condensed into 5 minutes. From something that suicides itself instantly blasting away a planets surface?
Ahem. "Six" minutes.

As for the OP, someone up thread gave a suitable enough response, there was too little time.
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I'm stunned the Federation didn't continue research on the Genesis device. Done properly it is literally a miracle device.
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