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View Poll Results: Rate Revelation and Dust.
Outstanding 29 25.89%
Above Average 45 40.18%
Average 25 22.32%
Below Average 7 6.25%
Poor 6 5.36%
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Old September 15 2013, 05:12 PM   #316
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This is a really hard book to rate. The reason that it is so hard is because the other books in the Fall mini-series could take this book to a new level or could drop it in the toilet. It isn't 100% complete on it's own. That's why it really needs to have the other book(s) out to see where things go and what happens.
And that is why it fails.
On it's own, it doesn't fail. It's how it does with the other books that matters. I don't care that it's not 100% self-contained. It's part of a mini-series.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:39 PM   #317
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This is a really hard book to rate. The reason that it is so hard is because the other books in the Fall mini-series could take this book to a new level or could drop it in the toilet. It isn't 100% complete on it's own. That's why it really needs to have the other book(s) out to see where things go and what happens.
And that is why it fails.
On it's own, it doesn't fail. It's how it does with the other books that matters. I don't care that it's not 100% self-contained. It's part of a mini-series.
But here's the thing, we're told on here that all the stories can be read independently of each other, even on memory beta it says this:

Star Trek: The Fall is an upcoming five-part Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Titan miniseries that will be released between late 2013 and early 2014. The series is set over a sixty day period, but each novel will have a self-contained story. The Typhon Pact is to be the antagonist throughout the series.
So yes, because it can not be read as it's own thing, it needs the other Fall novels to be 100% complete in your, and my opinion makes it, in my opinion fail.

I'm sure once all five novels are released and read, this one will be retroactively improved, but as it stands now, on it's own, independent from all the others, it is lacking and it fails because it can not be enjoyed on it's own in my opinion.
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Old September 16 2013, 01:41 AM   #318
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Overall I thought it was okay. Far from the best or the worst. I found the Lira plotline a little sow and bogged down at times. No reason to have her watch a scene played out from the pilot for pages and pages. The plot twist inolving the criminal act was obvious that there was more than it appeared to be. Was it ever explain ed why the leaders at the podium were not behind some type of forcefield?
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Old September 16 2013, 03:49 AM   #319
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Was it ever explain ed why the leaders at the podium were not behind some type of forcefield?
Maybe it was a Borg-style forcefield that stops energy weapons but lets bullets through. For some reason.
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Old September 16 2013, 04:07 AM   #320
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I thought the book was pretty solid.

We were given a very detailed description of the new Deep Space Nine, a rather interesting story regarding Keev/Kira, Odo accepting a chance to contact a new shapeshifter-esque species, the assassination of President Bacco, the Tzenkethi possibly behind the assassination, and the return of Taran'atar. For this being the first of a five-part miniseries, I was VERY satisfied.

We also go to see how nearly every character is struggling with issues that will ultimately be resolved - for better or for worse - at the end of this miniseries.

It was a good set-up for the next four books. DRGIII is one of the best 'Trek writers (in my opinion).
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Old September 16 2013, 10:23 PM   #321
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I've cast my vote. I hope the other four books will keep up the level that we have.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:32 AM   #322
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I've been burned once. I shall wait to the end of the series so I can read all the book in one go.
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Old September 17 2013, 02:12 AM   #323
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I've been burned once. I shall wait to the end of the series so I can read all the book in one go.
How were you burned? Was the last DS9 duology not very good?
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Old September 17 2013, 02:27 AM   #324
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I've been burned once. I shall wait to the end of the series so I can read all the book in one go.
How were you burned? Was the last DS9 duology not very good?
Nope. It was this very book that wasn't very good.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:04 AM   #325
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I've been burned once. I shall wait to the end of the series so I can read all the book in one go.
How were you burned? Was the last DS9 duology not very good?
Nope. It was this very book that wasn't very good.
You cannot answer for someone else. You should apologize.
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Old September 17 2013, 03:42 AM   #326
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How were you burned? Was the last DS9 duology not very good?
Nope. It was this very book that wasn't very good.
You cannot answer for someone else. You should apologize.
Please stop telling people what to do - Halliwell might not be able to answer for Zedferret but he's entitled to make his own interjection into the conversation.
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Old September 17 2013, 07:57 AM   #327
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And Halliwell was spot on. As for the DS9 duology, I knew it was a two parter and only had to wait a month. Which I did. I was expecting this to be more like the Typhon Pact, separate and individual novels based around a central theme. This wasn't a novel it was a prologue.
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Old September 17 2013, 11:16 PM   #328
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At first I thought Revelation and Dust would get extremely boring, because the description of the station and the people who were there seemed to take a lot of pages, but it got better and the Kira storyline was really great, so I think it was definitely above average.
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Old September 23 2013, 09:55 AM   #329
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Finished reading this yesterday while the beloved was freaking out watching the Manchester Derby and I was sat beside him not giving a shit. I'll type up my own thoughts before going back and reading the rest of the thread.

General impression... nice. A strangely quiet and contemplative beginning to what we've been told is a galaxy-shattering crisis in the making.

The vast majority of the story was quiet, gentle conversations, learning our way around the new station, catching up with what everybody's been up to in the meantime. And that's nice, I'm glad we had time for those kind of scenes, because I'm not sure I would have liked yet another big explosive everything-going-wrong blockbuster again so soon. It was nice to just be able to take it slow and spend some quality time with these people.

I did find it strange that I was almost two-thirds the way through the book before anything resembling an actual plot kicked in. And there really only was that one tiny sliver of plot in the whole book - the assassination. Everything else was reactions and conversations and introspection. But I'm okay with that, in fact I enjoyed it as a nice change of pace. We don't always have to be dashing from crisis to drama to crisis all the time.

Ro and Quark - I just adore where their relationship is now. They're there for each other, providing emotional support without making any emotional demands on each other. This book showed the sweetest side to Quark, when he comes to her with no ulterior motive than to offer her a shoulder to cry on and bring her favourite biscuits.

DRG3 sure does love his Alonis, doesn't he? They're obviously one of his 'pet' races that he shoves in wherever he can.

Being head of an entire hospital seems like the perfect move for Bashir - allowing him to stay where he wants and do what he loves while still giving him new challenges so he doesn't get bored like before. Sensible move.

The Kira storyline... hmmm. It went on and it went on and it went on, and to be frank I didn't really see the point. We start by replaying scenes we've already seen, go into a roleplay vision in the tradition of "Far Beyond the Stars," "Horn and Ivory" and Warpath, take a long and winding road to basically lead us back to more scenes we've already seen. What was the point?

It took me till about page 300 to even get that at least the tunnel portion of the story was a metaphor for rebuilding the wormhole. But what the hell was the rest of it? Were the other ancient Bajoran characters supposed to transpose onto our familiar DS9 characters in some way? If so I didn't see it. If it was supposed to get us to where Kira can explain to Sisko about "the path of sorrow", well that didn't seem to be a question that needed answering because I understood it fine at the end of Raise the Dawn. So I'm afraid it just came across to me as meandering and pointless.

At least until Altek Dans popped out at the end, who I hadn't even thought was a real person up to that point, just a character in a vision.

Which brings us to Taran'atar. I've missed having him around, certainly. I think this is the first book that has explicitly said he was dead. Up to now it had been left ambiguous - he might have been dead, or he might have been just 'out there' somewhere. I'd been leaning pretty heavily to the latter - exiled but alive - so it threw me a touch when they said he was dead. But obviously they decided to nail it down once and for all to set us up for the final twist.

How can it be Taran'atar if they thought he was dead? Well, I have my theories. I reckon that while Altek was thrown out into the Alpha Quadrant, Kira was thrown out into the Gamma Quadrant at the same time. She describes landing in a cargo bay. Whose? I think it's the Even Odds, and Taran'atar is one of their crew. They must have saved him at the last second somehow.

I found it slightly strange that a Bajoran councillor who has only been on the council for ten minutes would get put up as Pres pro tem, especially after what had just happened, but I also get the feeling that that's going to be something that will come into play in later books.

So my final score would be above average but not mind-blowing.

Heading back to read the rest of the thread now.

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Old September 23 2013, 12:13 PM   #330
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Sidebar discussion 1: Would this count as the kickoff for "Season 10" for our purposes?
In my own parlance, this is more like Season 15.




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By "Kira" I suppose you mean Keeva, or whatever the Bajora woman was called? This was the "short story" I mentioned. I call it such because it had absolutely no bearing on the rest of the novel.
You didn't notice the thematic contrast, or draw any conclusions about the comparison between Bajor's history and its present?
Not really, no. Other than the bit about rebuilding the wormhole as I said above, I didn't really get much from it. So please, do explain, because I genuinely want to know. Not being sarcastic.


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If you don't see character arcs in Ro, Kira/Keva, Sisko, Odo, Bashir, Dax, and Quark -- amongst others -- then you weren't paying attention.
I kind of get what they're saying, though. The characters is this book have shown growth when you compare this entire book to previous entire books, but I don't know that many of them can be said to have grown within this book. I like where they are now, as I said above, but I don't know that any of them were different at the end of this book from how they were at the beginning. If I'm missing stuff, please tell me, preferably non-condescendingly.

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