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Old September 15 2013, 08:59 PM   #31
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Re: Question About "The Chimes at Midnight"

I'm pretty sure we didn't say that! Earth is mentioned as a potential target in the Klingon invasion of the Interstellar Union on p. 143. And on p. 235, Hikaru refers to Earth in the present tense. "Earth is gone" (p. 158) is just a metaphor as MLB stated.

V'ger is alluded to a couple times: McCoy died in a transporter accident during the crisis (p. 193) and Hikaru remembers assuming Enterprise's helm to stop "an alien cloud" (p.272). I honestly didn't give the role of Spock much thought!

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It's interesting that you mention that, because while it never quite got to this point for me, I think a lot of the MyrU stories told were kind of downers. I mean they make things look better for the Primeverse, but it's still kind of sad to see things going to hell in some of the others.
Hm, that's interesting. There were definitely some negative timelines-- which sorta makes sense. What's the point of an alternative timeline where everything goes fine? Our intention in The Tears of Eridanus was that everything was okay in the end. There was a Klingon invasion of IU space after the story's end, but the explosion of Praxis would mean that everything wouldn't go as planned. Sure, an Andorian-dominated polity is more aggressive than the UFP, but it's not meant to be overtly militaristic.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:02 PM   #32
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Re: Question About "The Chimes at Midnight"

It's been a while since I've read Tears, but IIRC my feelings during the story were "Oh crap, they're going to end up at war with the Klingons on top of everything else", and I didn't really think as far into the future as Praxis.

But yeah, a MyrU anthology where 2/3 of the stories feature things going to hell...and IIRC the third story is the Data story with a somewhat ambiguous ending...that's a lot of heavy stuff. But as you said, it would be silly if every story showed things being hunky-dory at the end!

Regardless, a bunch of the MyrU stories left me very much hoping for sequels.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:16 PM   #33
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Well, the Praxis thing was mostly in my head! You're right that a Klingon war is grim... but we needed some stakes!

I don't think any of the MyrU stories were "Planet of the Week" deals; it would have been interesting if one had been.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:25 PM   #34
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I liked all of the MyrU stories, although I admit I was *slightly* put off by Places of Exile which seemed very smug in its retelling of VOY, like "this is the way it really should happen". But that's a minor thing.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:26 PM   #35
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I don't think any of the MyrU stories were "Planet of the Week" deals; it would have been interesting if one had been.
Without knowing anything about how the MU stories were conceived and written, I've always had the impression that they were meant to both introduce a universe and make the reader somewhat familiar with it by the stories' end, as though the continuity they've just experienced is as legitimate as the primary timeline. A planet of the week adventure would be difficult unless the planet become part of an arc like the Mere Anarchy series.

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Old September 16 2013, 02:29 PM   #36
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^ No, Earth is still around in the Eridanus timeline. Sulu and Demora describe it as "gone" but that's only because they no longer consider it home.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't say that! Earth is mentioned as a potential target in the Klingon invasion of the Interstellar Union on p. 143. And on p. 235, Hikaru refers to Earth in the present tense. "Earth is gone" (p. 158) is just a metaphor as MLB stated.

V'ger is alluded to a couple times: McCoy died in a transporter accident during the crisis (p. 193) and Hikaru remembers assuming Enterprise's helm to stop "an alien cloud" (p.272). I honestly didn't give the role of Spock much thought!

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It's interesting that you mention that, because while it never quite got to this point for me, I think a lot of the MyrU stories told were kind of downers. I mean they make things look better for the Primeverse, but it's still kind of sad to see things going to hell in some of the others.
Hm, that's interesting. There were definitely some negative timelines-- which sorta makes sense. What's the point of an alternative timeline where everything goes fine? Our intention in The Tears of Eridanus was that everything was okay in the end. There was a Klingon invasion of IU space after the story's end, but the explosion of Praxis would mean that everything wouldn't go as planned. Sure, an Andorian-dominated polity is more aggressive than the UFP, but it's not meant to be overtly militaristic.
Thank you for correcting me.

I don't know how often I read the story and whenever I read it I was always thinking that not only did Earth not recover from WW3, was significantly unimportant and then eaten by V'ger.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:33 PM   #37
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Really, given all the times that Spock's unique abilities were the only way to save the day, it's hard to believe the ship and crew even still exist in the movie era in a Spock-less timeline. I still wish Chimes had explained how they saved Earth from V'Ger without Spock around.
Maybe Xon was there and he basically filled Spock's role?
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Old September 17 2013, 12:09 AM   #38
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^ No, Earth is still around in the Eridanus timeline. Sulu and Demora describe it as "gone" but that's only because they no longer consider it home.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't say that! Earth is mentioned as a potential target in the Klingon invasion of the Interstellar Union on p. 143. And on p. 235, Hikaru refers to Earth in the present tense. "Earth is gone" (p. 158) is just a metaphor as MLB stated.

V'ger is alluded to a couple times: McCoy died in a transporter accident during the crisis (p. 193) and Hikaru remembers assuming Enterprise's helm to stop "an alien cloud" (p.272). I honestly didn't give the role of Spock much thought!

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It's interesting that you mention that, because while it never quite got to this point for me, I think a lot of the MyrU stories told were kind of downers. I mean they make things look better for the Primeverse, but it's still kind of sad to see things going to hell in some of the others.
Hm, that's interesting. There were definitely some negative timelines-- which sorta makes sense. What's the point of an alternative timeline where everything goes fine? Our intention in The Tears of Eridanus was that everything was okay in the end. There was a Klingon invasion of IU space after the story's end, but the explosion of Praxis would mean that everything wouldn't go as planned. Sure, an Andorian-dominated polity is more aggressive than the UFP, but it's not meant to be overtly militaristic.
Thank you for correcting me.

I don't know how often I read the story and whenever I read it I was always thinking that not only did Earth not recover from WW3, was significantly unimportant and then eaten by V'ger.
Heh. That's reading for you!
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Old September 18 2013, 08:27 PM   #39
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Really, given all the times that Spock's unique abilities were the only way to save the day, it's hard to believe the ship and crew even still exist in the movie era in a Spock-less timeline. I still wish Chimes had explained how they saved Earth from V'Ger without Spock around.
Maybe Xon was there and he basically filled Spock's role?
My thoughts as well when I read the story. After all, he was scheduled to replace Spock anyway.
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Old September 18 2013, 08:33 PM   #40
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^I think you mean Sonak.
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Old September 18 2013, 08:48 PM   #41
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^I think he was referring to the proposed Star Trek Phase II with Xon as the new Vulcan on Kirk's crew..
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Old September 18 2013, 10:15 PM   #42
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^Yes, I know where Xon comes from metatextually, but if we're talking about an alternate timeline within the fictional multiverse, then the character in question would be Commander Sonak, the guy who was actually in TMP instead of Xon.
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Old September 19 2013, 09:24 AM   #43
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Considering the magnitude and number of threats trek Earth faced (V'ger, the whale probe, the borg, Nero only in the movies), probabilistically speaking, in most timelines Earth IS gone.
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Old September 19 2013, 02:44 PM   #44
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"You manics! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!"

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Old January 24 2014, 06:01 AM   #45
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This. The butterflies would start fluttering even before the events of The Cage, and by the time you got to the time period of TOS, there's no telling what the disposition of USS Enterprise or the TOS characters would be. There might not even have been a USS Enterprise when V'Ger shuffled in from stage left.
There was definitely an Enterprise, as confirmed during Thelin's clandestine meeting with Arne Darvin in which the events of "The Trouble With Tribbles" were mentioned. It was Thelin who discovered the poisoned gain, which led to McCoy's discovery that Darvin was a Klingon spy as seen in the primary timeline. That still doesn't answer the question of how the V'Ger incident was dealt with, but it does confirm that the five-year mission happened despite Spock's absence.

Now, here's an interesting thought: what did Thelin do during "Journey to Babel" with the Andorian ambassador Shras Endilev aboard? I can't imagine he'd have been happy about Shras' aide trying to frame Sarek for murder. For that matter, who donated blood for the transfusion that saved Sarek's life with no Spock around? Or did Sarek not attend the Babel conference in the altered timeline? As he and Spock were still estranged in the primary timeline when the conference occurred, it's unlikely he attended because the Enterprise was ferrying the delegates.

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