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Old September 16 2013, 05:42 PM   #181
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One day we will all be having this conversation in the great gig in the sky.
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Old September 16 2013, 05:57 PM   #182
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I believe the elements that i am made up of will disperse themselves back into the planet and that will be the end of me and my consciousness, but who know's what the odds are for those very same elements to come together once again in the very same structure they are in at present, in say another 5 billion years time.
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Old September 16 2013, 08:29 PM   #183
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One day we will all be having this conversation in the great gig in the sky.
Or not. That's, you know, kinda the point of this thread...
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Old September 16 2013, 08:50 PM   #184
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Old September 16 2013, 10:30 PM   #185
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I believe the elements that i am made up of will disperse themselves back into the planet and that will be the end of me and my consciousness, but who know's what the odds are for those very same elements to come together once again in the very same structure they are in at present, in say another 5 billion years time.

That's generally how I see it as well.
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Old September 16 2013, 11:21 PM   #186
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I've always been fascinated with astronomy and cosmology. And to quote one of the scientists from How the Universe Works (or Through the Wormhole): "We are all stardust," born of supernovae that created the spark of life. So ashes to ashes, stardust to stardust ...
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Old September 17 2013, 12:24 AM   #187
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The interesting thing about life is that it is the only thing in the universe that actively fights entropy. A cup that fell from a table and shattered into hundred pieces is not going to return to its state at the top of the table. Everything in the universe wants balance, but life doesn't. It keeps regenerating and by that, it keeps an unstable, unbalanced state. Death is when an organism loses that battle. But then other organisms come and use the remains of the dead to support their own fight.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:30 AM   #188
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I've always been fascinated with astronomy and cosmology. And to quote one of the scientists from How the Universe Works (or Through the Wormhole): "We are all stardust," born of supernovae that created the spark of life. So ashes to ashes, stardust to stardust ...
It was Sagan who famously said “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

And this is, I guess, why I don't personally understand religion. And I am speaking in very broad terms here -- I know what follows does not apply to all religions or all believers: I can understand how religion is likely to have evolved, but I don't understand the drive to believe. Isn't the natural world enough? Isn't it beautiful, bizarre, curious, and profound enough on its own? Why must we cling to a supernatural, when there is so much wonder yet to be understood. To me, our habit of "projecting our own nature onto nature," to quote Sagan once more, seems trivializing, and it is the height of arrogance to imagine that it was all created just for us.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:41 AM   #189
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I've always been fascinated with astronomy and cosmology. And to quote one of the scientists from How the Universe Works (or Through the Wormhole): "We are all stardust," born of supernovae that created the spark of life. So ashes to ashes, stardust to stardust ...
It was Sagan who famously said “The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

And this is, I guess, why I don't personally understand religion. And I am speaking in very broad terms here -- I know what follows does not apply to all religions or all believers: I can understand how religion is likely to have evolved, but I don't understand the drive to believe. Isn't the natural world enough? Isn't it beautiful, bizarre, curious, and profound enough on its own? Why must we cling to a supernatural, when there is so much wonder yet to be understood. To me, our habit of "projecting our own nature onto nature," to quote Sagan once more, seems trivializing, and it is the height of arrogance to imagine that it was all created just for us.
Fear of what comes after. The fear of death can be a powerful motivator to believe that there is something beyond this life, that no, you don't have to end. That is the basis for many religions. The trappings were added later.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:54 AM   #190
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I guess I sort of get that. I mean, I really wish there were an afterlife. But I wish I had great legs and a billion dollars too.

As for religion, I would wonder if it wasn't based in control before fear. I don't suppose we'll ever know...evolutionary psychology is a somewhat wooly science.
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Old September 17 2013, 12:59 AM   #191
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I've always been fascinated with astronomy and cosmology.
If I had a Euro for every time I heard this, followed by some not-entirely accurate statement about space science, I'll be... well, not really a billionaire, but a comfortably wealthy man.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:04 AM   #192
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To me, our habit of "projecting our own nature onto nature," to quote Sagan once more, seems trivializing, and it is the height of arrogance to imagine that it was all created just for us.
It's how the brain works. Religion is a form of superstition, and superstition is the result of pattern recognition and the fact that the brain does not get the whole picture. A lightning strikes just when you did something wrong. And suddenly there is the thought that someone watched you and caused that lighting strike. Because the brain badly WANTS to make sense of it. And the simplest explanation is that "someone did it".
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Old September 17 2013, 01:08 AM   #193
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I guess I sort of get that. I mean, I really wish there were an afterlife. But I wish I had great legs and a billion dollars too.
I, too, wish for these things.

As for religion, I would wonder if it wasn't based in control before fear. I don't suppose we'll ever know...evolutionary psychology is a somewhat wooly science.
Indeed it is. All I can base my ideas on is what I experience for myself, and how I felt when I was deeply religious. I don't like the prospect of death; it does frighten me. Sometimes, a religion makes me want to give it more credence than I should, and I have to remind myself that wishful thinking does not equal reality, and that the likelihood of that religion being an accurate representation of what lies post death is extraordinarily small.
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Old September 17 2013, 01:16 AM   #194
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J. You do have great legs.
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