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Old September 16 2013, 04:01 AM   #46
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Re: No Radiation Suits In The 23rd Century?

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This version of ST doesn't need stuff like radiation suits, they conjure up ridiculous ways to being characters back. Like genetic super blood. Maybe Paramount should ripoff the nanobot healing ability of the 2008 KITT so that whenever the Imposterprise gets pounded(in every single reboot movie) it can miraculously heal itself.
Seriously! What moron makes a movie about a genetically enhanced super human? That kind of shit wouldn't fly in Star Trek. Star Wars, maybe, but not Star Trek.
The genetic superhuman thing wasn't the stupid part, the ridiculous super blood regeneration was.
So the genetically superior human isn't the stupid part, just the circulatory system of said genetically superior superhuman?

That doesn't make sense. You accept the genetically superior superhuman seemingly without question, but discard part of what makes him genetically superior and superhuman in the first place. That line of thinking is flawed right from the start.

It's like saying, "Yeah, I can accept an alien male from the planet Krypton coming to Earth and being raised by a family, under a yellow Sun and gaining superhuman strength, leaping tall buildings, running faster than a speeding bullet, picking up and tossing cars like they're toys, using heat vision to stop crime, and flying around a bustling city in blue spandex wearing a cape; but I swear, if he gets weak due to his proximity to a green rock from his home planet, well, I just can't accept something so ridiculous."

This is essentially the argument you're making.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:02 AM   #47
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You accept the genetically superior superhuman seemingly without question, but discard part of what makes him genetically superior and superhuman in the first place.
Huh? Khan was always supposed to be a genetically superior superhuman, but he was never conceived as having magic resurrection blood until STID.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:16 AM   #48
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Nor was there any implication he didn't.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:32 AM   #49
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Nor was there any implication he didn't.
Exactly. We have no specific idea how Khan was engineered. For all we know, his blood is designed to act as a rejuvenating agent, which gives him a longer lifespan, and makes him highly resistant to disease.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:57 AM   #50
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Nor was there any implication he didn't.
Exactly. We have no specific idea how Khan was engineered. For all we know, his blood is designed to act as a rejuvenating agent, which gives him a longer lifespan, and makes him highly resistant to disease.
It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
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Old September 16 2013, 07:47 AM   #51
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It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?

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Old September 16 2013, 07:56 AM   #52
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It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?

The blood Khan has may be unique. The others may not have had its regenerative properties. Khan was a leader, after all. That's one possible explanation.

Another is that even with superblood, no one is immortal or invulnerable. Any number of things could have happened on a planet with such a volatile environment as Ceti Alpha V.

As for Ms. McGivers, for all we know, Khan had no idea his blood had that kind of regenerative capability.

Then again, perhaps Khan let her die because she wasn't strong enough to survive. He did see weakness as a failing.

Really, there are any number of explanations for these events.
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Old September 16 2013, 08:16 AM   #53
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A good Captain would have ordered Scotty in with him - Troi made a similar mistake in her commander's test didn't she?
Scotty was older and obviously in nowhere near the physical shape of the twenty-six year old Kirk.
Scotty is barely 10 years older than Kirk. I don't know much about radiation exposure but I think genetic factors and exposure levels play more of a part than age.

Besides, if Kirk gets there and has no clue what to do, Scotty, everyone on board, and a lot of people in the city are dead. Kirk can't restart the test like Troi.
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Old September 16 2013, 08:17 AM   #54
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Did McCoy put Khan's blood directly into Kirk or did he do something with it first? I've not seen the movie for awhile but I recall McCoy mentioning something about doing something with the blood. If so Khan probably didn't have access to the proper equipment or perhaps Khan had no idea that his blood could heal like that.
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Old September 16 2013, 11:32 AM   #55
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It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?

I'm not so sure healing blood would reverse the massive brain damage that Ceti Eels cause. We saw it cure a sick girl (and we know from ENT: "Cold Station 12" that it can cure Clarkes disease) and radiation damage, which are a lot different.
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Old September 16 2013, 06:36 PM   #56
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The Trek universe tended have computers but not robots. Maybe the unions had them banned?
The Federation in the original Star Trek seemed to be biased against androids and robots, as if there had been some kind of "Butlerian Jihad" that discouraged their use, the echoes of which were only starting to disapate by the time Mr. Data was created.
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Old September 16 2013, 08:42 PM   #57
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You accept the genetically superior superhuman seemingly without question, but discard part of what makes him genetically superior and superhuman in the first place.
Huh? Khan was always supposed to be a genetically superior superhuman, but he was never conceived as having magic resurrection blood until STID.
As has already been mentioned, it could cure certain diseases (ENT - Cold Station 12) and it could drastically alter a Klingon's body structure in minutes (removing their brow ridge, changing their pigmentation, making them stronger, faster, with ore stamina, more survivable, etc. - ENT - Affliction). So I don't think resurrection under certain conditions is out of the question when you're already dealing with something with those properties.

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Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?
The eel destroys your brain as it grows (so it might not be something even the "super blood" can heal), before it kills you the victim goes berserk and may run off or become a threat (so you might have to kill them), and they were stranded on a desert planet in a cargo pod, not a fully fledged medical lab.
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If they did have Kirk suit up, they'd have to find another way to severely injure him. Any ideas? Maybe he forgets to zip up the back? :P
Physically. When he realigned the core the blast sent him flying pretty far/hard. Could broke his back or something.
See? Exactly! Nothing convoluted or imagination-stretching there, and you accomplish the same end from a story perspective. He could even still crawl his way out and have the scene with Spock.
But then you completely lose the aspect of the scene which is Kirk running in there knowing he's going to certainly die. Unless of course he expects the force of the warp core to kill him anyway, in which case there's no reason to wear a radiation suit.
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it could drastically alter a Klingon's body structure in minutes (removing their brow ridge, changing their pigmentation
Changing their pigmentation, you say?
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It need keep him alive on Ceti Alpha 5 when it turned to shit. His wife who did not have magic blood died, yet he's wandering around and is ripped as hell. Now we know why, he has magic blood. That's canon.
Okay if the prime universe Khan had super blood, then when his wife invaded by the ceti eel, why didn't he provide her with a injection/transfusion of his blood?

And why did nineteen of the other superfriends die from the eel?

It might only repair damage to the cells and anything bigger either takes longer, likely causing you to die before it can. So it's useful for disease and stuff like that. Maybe even repair wounds faster than a normal humans, but not Wolverine fast.

Khan can be knocked out, so it can't repair that either.
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