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Old September 14 2013, 10:51 PM   #46
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Re: Most Upsetting Bond Movie Deaths (SPOILERS)

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For me the death of Jill Masterson is still the most upsetting. Covered in gold and allowed to suffocate, creepy and unsettling.
Dying from gold paint sounds a bit too implausible and I haven't heard of any body paint related deaths, even though it's not pleasant and causes chronic health problems (just ask Virginia Hey during her tenure on Farscape). More plausibly Oddjob murdered poor Jill by strangulation or smothering or neck breaking, then dragged her corpse into the bathroom suite to apply the gold body paint there, then dragged her onto the bed for that iconic corpse pose.
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Old September 15 2013, 07:09 AM   #47
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Nah, the gold paint per se is not what supposedly killed her. When the movie was made, a lot of people believed that humans breathe through their pores. Supposedly, covering up your entire skin surface would cause suffocation. Apparently it didn't matter what you covered it with. Bond says something to this effect when she's discovered. I haven't seen the movie in a long time and I can't find the quote.

In the past I had watched the scene any number of times without paying attention to the dialogue. My assumption was that Goldfinger had simply encased her mouth and nose (along with everything else) in some sort of quick-hardening gold solution (referred to as "paint" for simplicity), and she suffocated the normal way.

These days I take it he did not close off her airway with the gold; otherwise, this skin myth wouldn't have come up.
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Old September 15 2013, 06:14 PM   #48
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I believe they tested this myth on Myth busters, and deemed it plausible.
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Old September 15 2013, 09:31 PM   #49
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Plausible that Jill could continue breathing normally through her mouth and nose but asphyxiate anyway??? How does that work exactly?


I didn't see the episode, but reading online it looks like Mythbusters agreed that insufficient skin ventilation could cause dangerous spikes in temperature or BP. Plus there's the risk of toxic or allergic reactions. But none of those have to do with asphyxiation.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:08 PM   #50
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I didn't see the episode, but reading online it looks like Mythbusters agreed that insufficient skin ventilation could cause dangerous spikes in temperature or BP. Plus there's the risk of toxic or allergic reactions. But none of those have to do with asphyxiation.
It was deemed plausible, not confirmed. In either event, this film was made in 1964 and featured:

A man who's thrown hat can decapitate you
A laser that can chop your balls off (in 1964)
A radioactive bomb that will irradiate gold, supposedly cornering the market
A aerosol chemical that knocks you out, then disperses safely
Bond successfully seduces a lesbian
A gadget-laced car, many features of which Mythbusters "Busted"
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Old September 15 2013, 11:16 PM   #51
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Strawberry Field's death through crude oil, though often derided as a clumsy homage to Jill's death, was more gruesome and realistic.

Watching through YOLT on DVD again recently, I still think the emotional impact of Aki's death is underrated, but it doesn't help that the movie feels very fast paced for a 1960s movie, seemingly forgetting about her (maybe there should've been more breathing space, to let the impact of her death set in, like have a silently brooding Bond in the castle grounds watch Tiger's staff wheel away Aki's body in a shroud or body bag as the sun rises, before it cuts to the silly ninja training stuff and sham wedding).

From what I've read about poisoning, I get the impression that Aki died from a cyanide substance (first with her inability to breath properly, then her apparent cardiac arrest, followed by sudden unconsciousness and death within minutes).

And speaking of cyanide, I nearly forgot about poor Paula in Thunderball (who in captivity took a hidden cyanide pill to avoid brutal interrogation).
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Old September 15 2013, 11:53 PM   #52
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It was deemed plausible, not confirmed. In either event, this film was made in 1964 and featured:

A man who's thrown hat can decapitate you
A laser that can chop your balls off (in 1964)
A radioactive bomb that will irradiate gold, supposedly cornering the market
A aerosol chemical that knocks you out, then disperses safely
Bond successfully seduces a lesbian
A gadget-laced car, many features of which Mythbusters "Busted"
Well, I'll accept that it's plausible by movie logic and compared to all that other stuff. But that's a pretty relative statement.
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Old September 16 2013, 12:28 AM   #53
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Watching through YOLT on DVD again recently, I still think the emotional impact of Aki's death is underrated, but it doesn't help that the movie feels very fast paced for a 1960s movie, seemingly forgetting about her (maybe there should've been more breathing space, to let the impact of her death set in, like have a silently brooding Bond in the castle grounds watch Tiger's staff wheel away Aki's body in a shroud or body bag as the sun rises, before it cuts to the silly ninja training stuff and sham wedding).
I read some production notes for that film that stated that the two actresses cast for Kissy and Aki spoke no English prior to being cast in the film. I think part of the problem with developing either character was their limited understanding of English, which can understandably make it difficult to convey any kind of emotion to an English speaking viewer.
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Old September 16 2013, 12:38 AM   #54
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Since when is Xenia Onatopp tragic? She was a cold-hearted bitch who literally got off on killing people.
I agree. I love Onatopp's character. But there's nothing tragic about her death. I actually remember laughing when I realized she was being crushed against the tree after the cable caught.

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Old September 16 2013, 09:26 PM   #55
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Watching through YOLT on DVD again recently, I still think the emotional impact of Aki's death is underrated, but it doesn't help that the movie feels very fast paced for a 1960s movie, seemingly forgetting about her (maybe there should've been more breathing space, to let the impact of her death set in, like have a silently brooding Bond in the castle grounds watch Tiger's staff wheel away Aki's body in a shroud or body bag as the sun rises, before it cuts to the silly ninja training stuff and sham wedding).
I read some production notes for that film that stated that the two actresses cast for Kissy and Aki spoke no English prior to being cast in the film. I think part of the problem with developing either character was their limited understanding of English, which can understandably make it difficult to convey any kind of emotion to an English speaking viewer.
There was at least one interview with YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE personnel in which it was revealed the actress playing Kissy was relatively experienced. I don't recall similar mention of Aki's actress. Her character died earlier before Kissy showed up.
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Old September 17 2013, 04:16 AM   #56
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My understanding is that the girl playing Aki was supposed to play Kissy, but the other girl (the one who wound up barely registering as Kissy) threatened suicide, so she got the part (greatly reduced) and they bumped the other girl to Aki (presumably with an expanded role.)

I've actually seen that come up a few times, I think in print as well as on Bond sites, and I haven't seen anything that calls the whole story into question in any definitive dismissive fashion.
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Old September 17 2013, 09:20 AM   #57
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^That's the story I've heard, and certainly Aki has a lot more screen presense.
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Old September 18 2013, 04:00 AM   #58
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Since when is Xenia Onatopp tragic? She was a cold-hearted bitch who literally got off on killing people.
I agree. I love Onatopp's character. But there's nothing tragic about her death. I actually remember laughing when I realized she was being crushed against the tree after the cable caught.

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Old September 20 2013, 02:06 AM   #59
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Dear God, I don't feel as sorry for Onatopp as I do for her many unfortunate, innocent victims and her death was one of the more amusing examples of being hoisted by one's petard, however I did sense something unhappy and dysfunctional about her when Bond socialises with her at the casino.
I did have a hard time understanding how or why she put with Trevelyan and was hoping she'd crush him just as easily as she did her victims. Alec was bitter because of the way England treated his parents, sending them back to Russia after the war. But why would someone like Onatopp help him? I've never had the chance to read the Goldeneye novel. Does the book expand on her character at all? We know she was a fighter pilot in the former USSR. But what were her motives for aiding a terrorist?

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Old September 20 2013, 05:08 AM   #60
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She probably thought that Trevelyan was just going to cause a lot of death and destruction and she wanted to be there to witness it. Like they said about the Joker - some people just want to sit and watch the world burn. Xenia was one of those people.
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