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Old September 14 2013, 11:22 PM   #16
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Re: Where'd This Phase II Cutaway Come From...?

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Anywho, I came across this graphic a year or so ago, even posted a thread about it, and as I recall it had been made for a fan film and there was no attempt by those involved to dupe the public by passing it off as an actual piece of phase II set dressing, or even a reproduction of same.
Ah, thanks, Tin Man. I wasn't here for your thread and didn't find it in my search.

Anyhoo, thanks for clearing that up.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:22 AM   #17
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You’re welcome, glad to be of help.

I couldn’t find my old thread either, since I can’t remember the title.
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Old September 15 2013, 02:46 PM   #18
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This looks like the thread you want:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=133267
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Old September 15 2013, 03:55 PM   #19
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Ah, thanks Christopher.

This came up in another thread but I thought I'd mention it here too since we were discussing the location of the vertical core placement.



You can see a new hatch is indicated between the new nacelles struts above the newly-expanded room there, and the circular yellow marking on the bottom of the hull seems to be correspondingly moved, too. That's even more apparent on this compliation put together by Shaw:



I think that's why many people (myself included) think the vertical core would have been put there.
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Old September 15 2013, 04:32 PM   #20
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I think that's why many people (myself included) think the vertical core would have been put there.
Fascinating cross-section, much clearer than the one I had previously seen.

Now, the hatch is indeed interesting but the entire space above doesn't really suggest an engineering section. I find some of that stuff shown here rather confusing.

I think for an intermix shaft the two vertical things towards the bow look like more suitable candidates and the one going all the way to the bottom is much closer to the yellow circle at the TOS Enterprise's bottom than the others.

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Old September 15 2013, 05:00 PM   #21
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Well, it depends how you want to look at it.

Since Mr. Jefferies suggested that this Enterprise was almost the same as the original, with changes to "struts and power pods only," we might assume that what we're looking at his his intentional effort to revise some aspects of the original design. Now, we know there were a few other cosmetic changes, such as to the bridge module with the addition of another turbolift, and the apparent addition of visible airlocks, and it's certainly possible (and perhaps likely) that the vertical core was also a change or addition.

Still, there are some distinct changes to deck spacing here that seem to normalize and make more regular certain features shown in the famous Writer's Guide/TMoST cutaway.

If the vertical shafts are indeed power shafts rather than turbolifts, then I could see one engine room directly ahead of the impulse engines, with the vertical shaft being a power conduit leading down through the neck, then horizontally "jumping" aft to another vertical shaft, which the Phase II engine room would be oriented around, and probably the TMP-style horizontal shaft going back to the struts. Since both of these features were present in the TOS cutaway, we should probably assume that this was then unchanged from TOS to Phase II.
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Old September 15 2013, 08:20 PM   #22
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What always jumps out at be in this drawing is the lack of a forward wall above the observation gallery of the hangar deck. A room above the gallery open to the hangar? Now what do you suppose that's for?
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Old September 18 2013, 09:08 AM   #23
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What always jumps out at be in this drawing is the lack of a forward wall above the observation gallery of the hangar deck. A room above the gallery open to the hangar? Now what do you suppose that's for?
Strike that...from another thread...

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....Here are a couple of details from the original:





As you'll note, the engineering section is actually labelled. Also, the hangar features more original detail. Finally, there is a legend that gives the precise coordinates for Engineering, Hangar Deck and Shuttlecraft Storage and Maintenence.

Notice especially that the deck in Engineering is called out as 2 feet lower than the hangar deck (which is on the centerline of the hull). One final item of note is the elliptical profile of the hangar doors. An interesting detail, that.

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Old September 18 2013, 09:35 AM   #24
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Interesting comparison of the two. The blueprint showing the entire ship features different detailing in the engineering hull's stern compared to the enlarged section close-up that's obviously from a revised or previous draft.

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Old September 18 2013, 05:43 PM   #25
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Interesting, since he labels the section below the nacelle struts as Engineering, is that where he envisioned the placement of the vertical warp core thing that was constructed for Phase II? The drawing has other shaft-like features, but I had the impression that those were the turboshafts. Though AFAIK, the phase II engineering set did not yet have the forced perspective horizontal shaft that was later added for TMP,
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Old September 18 2013, 06:12 PM   #26
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That's always been my assumption - and you're correct, there was no forced perspective segment. I believe there was, however, a glowy grille. The core itself was also of a somewhat different design.
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Old September 18 2013, 08:46 PM   #27
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I don't know who drew that graphic, but it is nicely done (and shows that the artist did his/her homework, which is nice to see). For those wanting to compare it to Jefferies' cross section, here are both at the same size...

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Old September 18 2013, 09:57 PM   #28
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Thanks, Shaw.

That blew up pretty good. I think the amount of research has lended itself that it makes tons of sense as an interpretation of Mr. Jefferies' cutaway.

Anyone notice the turbolift storage/repair facility in the neck? That's neat. I also like how the deflector machinery sits in the floor of a large, open bay, presumably for inspection.
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Old September 19 2013, 10:24 AM   #29
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That's wonderful, now we get a better and more detailed look at the blueprint from the first page of this thread.

Interesting how the talented artist apparently connected the antimatter pods to the Mike Minor intermix shaft.

I just don't get the "detour" of the power line near the photon torpedo launcher, I thought there'd be enough space between the launch tubes.

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Old September 19 2013, 03:42 PM   #30
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Perhaps they were erring on the side of caution, to not have it too close to the forward end of the dorsal?
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