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Old September 15 2013, 01:54 AM   #16
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Scotty got knocked out by Kirk
He'd been wanting to do that the entire movie.

So where was the rest of the engineering crew?
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Old September 15 2013, 01:57 AM   #17
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Scotty got knocked out by Kirk
He'd been wanting to do that the entire movie.

So where was the rest of the engineering crew?
Likely had their heads planted firmly between their knees getting ready to kiss their asses goodbye.

On a more serious note, Spock did order the ship to be abandoned. Just because the bridge crew stayed doesn't mean all the departments did.
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Old September 15 2013, 04:54 AM   #18
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The shuttle bay didn't look too usable from what little we saw of it. Did they have escape pods, like the thing they shot Kirk out of the ship with in 09? If so I wish we'd have seen some pods escaping.
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Old September 15 2013, 10:17 AM   #19
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I don't recall the exact running order of the plot but this version of the Enterprise has twice the number of crew? It's silly that a ship with that many engineers, during a red alert when all crew man battle stations and damage control stations didn't have dozens of engineers in radiation suits on hand to manage the core. I agree that they should also have drones to go in where possible.

The silliest thing is Kirk taking one for the team despite the fact that the whole ship will be destroyed if he fails and he isn't even an engineer. At least in TWoK we know that Spock has a decent knowledge of warp dynamics and as a Vulcan has enough resistance to radiation to last long enough. A good Captain would have ordered Scotty in with him - Troi made a similar mistake in her commander's test didn't she?
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Old September 15 2013, 02:36 PM   #20
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A good Captain would have ordered Scotty in with him - Troi made a similar mistake in her commander's test didn't she?
Scotty was older and obviously in nowhere near the physical shape of the twenty-six year old Kirk.
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Old September 15 2013, 02:45 PM   #21
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I always wondered why Spock and not someone in a full radiation suit had to fix the warp core (or whatever was in that pipe) in Wrath of Khan. The suits/robots/whatever in Into Darkness, with their huge backpacks, look too bulky to fit through the little hatch let alone climb up the piping inside.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:15 PM   #22
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^ Those were medical robots.

Actually, they were supposed to be just guys in radiation suits.
In the commentary they show the original and say Abrams just didn't like the way they looked in the scene, with just a small part of their face visible, so they added some cg masks to cover them up.

So, no reason why they have to be robots.
Interestingly, they seem to follow a roughly similar design style to the policeman/police robot in Iowa in ST09. Similar visual sensor over the left eye, raised vocorder over the mouth, what appear to be a breathing apparatus/air filters over the cheeks, and decorative vertical markings.

Maybe there's a company out there either producing first responder hazard suits or first responder robots, whatever your preference may be.




Also, on the subject of radiation suits, they're not radiation proof, they're radiation dampening, essentially. They're just designed to limit your exposure as much as possible. You still will get sick or die while wearing one depending on the level and duration of exposure to the radiation source. Kirk probably knew that even if he took the time to put one on (precious time he did not have) that it was still a one way trip into the highly radioactive warp core.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:36 PM   #23
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If there are standard issue robots in the Abrams Universe, he'd have correct one of the great failings of the future portray in Trek: The lack of robotics.
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Old September 15 2013, 06:41 PM   #24
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Do we know for a fact that the cop in ST09 was a robot, or could it have been some kind of cyborg?
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Do we know for a fact that the cop in ST09 was a robot, or could it have been some kind of cyborg?
It could have been a human, an alien, a robot, a cyborg. From what I remember reading in the Art Of book they wanted to keep people guessing.

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Do we know for a fact that the cop in ST09 was a robot, or could it have been some kind of cyborg?
No, it's not stated in anything canonical. I don't know if the novelization or other materials expands on it at all. That's why I left it open to either being a robot or a man in a suit (or a cyborg works too, like you said).

Personally, I like the idea of it being a robot to compensate for their rarity in Star Trek. Likewise for the two guys in STiD (since they had them put on the face masks instead of being obviously human again). Also, the way he spoke, and calling Kirk "citizen," sounded very methodical and inhuman.
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If there are standard issue robots in the Abrams Universe, he'd have correct one of the great failings of the future portray in Trek: The lack of robotics.
Agreed. Considering what we're learning about robotics now, I can only imagine what 200+ more years of research and development would bring.
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If there are standard issue robots in the Abrams Universe, he'd have correct one of the great failings of the future portray in Trek: The lack of robotics.
Agreed. Considering what we're learning about robotics now, I can only imagine what 200+ more years of research and development would bring.

I'd say Science officer 0718 is another good step in that direction.
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If there are standard issue robots in the Abrams Universe, he'd have correct one of the great failings of the future portray in Trek: The lack of robotics.
Agreed. Considering what we're learning about robotics now, I can only imagine what 200+ more years of research and development would bring.

I'd say Science officer 0718 is another good step in that direction.
Hoping he gets fleshed out a bit more in the next film.
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Agreed. Considering what we're learning about robotics now, I can only imagine what 200+ more years of research and development would bring.

I'd say Science officer 0718 is another good step in that direction.
Hoping he gets fleshed out a bit more in the next film.
Indeed, I'd love that.
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