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Old September 14 2013, 10:29 PM   #331
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

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"When I was in my early twenties on a trip to East Africa, I saw a gazelle giving birth. It was truly amazing. Within minutes, the baby was standing up, standing up on its own. A few more minutes, and it was walking; and before I knew it, it was running alongside its mother, moving away with the herd. Humans aren't like that, Ambassador. We may come from the same planet as those gazelles, but we're pretty much helpless when we're born. It takes us months before we're able to crawl; almost a full year before we can walk. Our deep space mission isn't much different. We're going to stumble, make mistakes - I'm sure more than a few, before we find our footing. But we're going to learn from those mistakes. That's what being human is all about. I'm sorry you can't see that. "
Well, it's an entire speech, not a line. Why is it "bad"?
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Old September 14 2013, 10:31 PM   #332
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Re: The Single Worst Line of Dialogue in the entire Star Trek Franchis

I wasn't really here that much when Season 1 of Enterprise aired (I was still posting on startrek.com) so I'm sorry if this question has been addressed over and over, but what was so wrong with the Gazelle speech? If it was Picard giving that speech, it might have been one of the best speeches written. Was it the actual speech people didn't like or the actor giving it?
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Old September 14 2013, 10:52 PM   #333
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If it was Picard giving that speech, it might have been one of the best speeches written.
That sums up one of my main issues with Enterprise in a nutshell. They kept writing material for TNG, but the actors involved just couldn't pull it off.

I came to this realization when I was watching a scene of Archer chewing out Reed in his ready room. I realized that the scene would have been a lot more engaging if it had featured the characters for whom it was written...Picard and Worf. In the hands of Bakula and Keating, it was a whinefest.
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Old September 14 2013, 10:59 PM   #334
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If it was Picard giving that speech, it might have been one of the best speeches written.
That sums up one of my main issues with Enterprise in a nutshell. They kept writing material for TNG, but the actors involved just couldn't pull it off.

I came to this realization when I was watching a scene of Archer chewing out Reed in his ready room. I realized that the scene would have been a lot more engaging if it had featured the characters for whom it was written...Picard and Worf. In the hands of Bakula and Keating, it was a whinefest.
It's Stewart's delivery that saves a lot of his dialog, not the writing.
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Old September 14 2013, 11:18 PM   #335
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Well, it's an entire speech, not a line. Why is it "bad"?
The words themselves aren't bad. I think the delivery of the line could be better. If any of Kirk, Picard, or Sisko said it, I'd probably like it. Though in at least two of the above cases, there might be weird pauses mid-sentence.

Edit: Now that I think about it, that speech would be perfect for Stephen Collins to give. I can see him pulling it off as a middle-aged Will Decker.

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Old September 15 2013, 01:01 AM   #336
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Well, it's an entire speech, not a line. Why is it "bad"?
The words themselves aren't bad. I think the delivery of the line could be better. If any of Kirk, Picard, or Sisko said it, I'd probably like it. Though in at least two of the above cases, there might be weird pauses mid-sentence.

Edit: Now that I think about it, that speech would be perfect for Stephen Collins to give. I can see him pulling it off as a middle-aged Will Decker.

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I saw nothing wrong with the speech, Archer giving it or Bakula's delivery. My only problem is that it didn't help Archer's case.
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Old September 15 2013, 01:05 AM   #337
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What the Vulcans heard via Universal Translator:

"Sure, we're a bunch of f***-ups....We have to f*** up, or we'll never learn. So go away and let us f*** up."
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Old September 15 2013, 07:28 AM   #338
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Worst line of all time is obviously, "Shut up, Wesley." :P
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Old September 15 2013, 08:08 AM   #339
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How about this gem?

Someday...my people are going to come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that tells us what we can and can't do out here, should and shouldn't do. But until somebody tells me that they've drafted that directive...
I can stop there, right?
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Old September 15 2013, 03:21 PM   #340
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^LOOK WE'RE A PREQUEL! PRIME DIRECTIVE! SEE??

They did the same think with Arik Soong in season 4:

"Maybe... artificial life (wink, wink). It may take a few (wait for it) ... Generations."

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Old September 15 2013, 03:53 PM   #341
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"You're all astronauts on some kind of star trek...!"
Still the most cheesy line ever. The writers sure liked characters foreshadowing future events.
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Old September 15 2013, 05:36 PM   #342
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^At least that was deliberate humor.
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Old September 15 2013, 06:07 PM   #343
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^LOOK WE'RE A PREQUEL! PRIME DIRECTIVE! SEE??

They did the same think with Arik Soong in season 4:

"Maybe... artificial life (wink, wink). It may take a few (wait for it) ... Generations."

If only Mudd's last line in I, Mudd has been, "When next we meet, our battle will be more ... animated!
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Old September 15 2013, 06:24 PM   #344
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Spock's "Khan!"

The only time I;ve ever been embarrassed about being a Trekker.
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Old September 15 2013, 11:13 PM   #345
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"When I was in my early twenties on a trip to East Africa, I saw a gazelle giving birth. It was truly amazing. Within minutes, the baby was standing up, standing up on its own. A few more minutes, and it was walking; and before I knew it, it was running alongside its mother, moving away with the herd. Humans aren't like that, Ambassador. We may come from the same planet as those gazelles, but we're pretty much helpless when we're born. It takes us months before we're able to crawl; almost a full year before we can walk. Our deep space mission isn't much different. We're going to stumble, make mistakes - I'm sure more than a few, before we find our footing. But we're going to learn from those mistakes. That's what being human is all about. I'm sorry you can't see that. "
Well, it's an entire speech, not a line. Why is it "bad"?
Well, first, in the episode where it appears, the Vulcans are trying to get Earth to recall Archer on the grounds that his operational recklessness set off the atmosphere on Tinder Box Planet, killing thousands, while Archer's got the proof that it was Suliban or whatever did it. So, what he should be emphasizing is, the thing the Vulcans are (rightly!) outraged by was the sabotage of people trying to get Archer's mission cancelled and not any inherent idiocy on Archer's part.

Second, the argument amounts to, ``you say we're not competent to do this job, and you're right, we're not, so we should keep doing it in the hopes that maybe someday we'll become competent''. There is a sensible argument to be made out of this --- that one can't be fully experienced without the experience --- but it's made in a muddled way that only works if the speaker is trying to appeal to sentiment, which indicates that Archer isn't aware of who his in-universe audience is.
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