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Old September 14 2013, 03:46 PM   #16
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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Didn't Star Trek Into Darkness have both a message (quite explicitly slamming America's use of drone weapons) and morals (Kirk deciding to bring Khan to Earth for trial instead of executing him from afar)?
Any "morals" in STID were buried within the same, overused plot that was used in the previous movie...and even the one before that.

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Yet you still claim it's not real Star Trek. What will it take?
I made no such claim. You were the one that made the claim when you started this thread.
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Old September 14 2013, 03:51 PM   #17
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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Until Star Trek comes back to TV, we are going to have to ignore Gene's vision and tolerate the same movie over and over again.
I'll live, because two-thirds of Star Trek are far worse than the two movies made by Abrams.
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Old September 14 2013, 03:52 PM   #18
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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I'll live, because two-thirds of Star Trek are far worse than the two movies made by Abrams.
You mean the single movie that he made twice?
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Old September 14 2013, 03:55 PM   #19
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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I'll live, because two-thirds of Star Trek are far worse than the two movies made by Abrams.
You mean the single movie that he made twice?
Define it however you like. I had a blast watching both of them.
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Old September 14 2013, 03:58 PM   #20
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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Define it however you like. I had a blast watching both of them.
Good for you. I liked the first one better than the second. I'm thankful for JJ's Trek for the simple reason that it's helping keep Trek alive...but...

I'm hoping for Trek to return to TV.
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Old September 14 2013, 03:59 PM   #21
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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I'll live, because two-thirds of Star Trek are far worse than the two movies made by Abrams.
You mean the single movie that he made twice?
You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane? JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:00 PM   #22
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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Define it however you like. I had a blast watching both of them.
Good for you. I liked the first one better than the second. I'm thankful for JJ's Trek for the simple reason that it's helping keep Trek alive...but...

I'm hoping for Trek to return to TV.
I've got close to seven-hundred hours of TV Star Trek sitting on my DVD/Blu-ray shelf. I'm pretty happy with getting a new movie every three-to-four years.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:02 PM   #23
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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If I like it, it's real Star Trek. If I don't like it, it's not real Star Trek.
The best definition of 'real', pure and simple.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:03 PM   #24
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane?
Yes but it's more noticeable when it comes to movies. That's why I said Trek belongs on TV because a new show every week isn't going to be a previous show recycled.

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JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.
JJ's recycle rate is 100%. Can't beat that record.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:13 PM   #25
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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I've got close to seven-hundred hours of TV Star Trek sitting on my DVD/Blu-ray shelf. I'm pretty happy with getting a new movie every three-to-four years.
I've seen every Star Trek series except for Voyager. I've tried, but I just can't finish it. By that time, they overdid Star Trek. Too many series in too short of time. It became diluted.

I'd like to see a new series with new writers, someone who's familiar with Trek's history but won't use the same rehashed technobabble nonsense or the weak plots. I got sick of seeing these same scenarios:

When they are trying to turn something on:
"Sorry, (something) is off-line!"

When they are trying to turn something off:
"Sorry, (something) controls are fused!"

Just piss-poor writing.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:17 PM   #26
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Re: Not real Star Trek

For me, Star Trek paints on such a broad canvas, that people take from it what they want - for some people it's all about the characters, some are all about the ships and the tech, or the social commentary, the morality tales, the politics of the various races, the list goes on - it's a rich well of ideas and tales to tell thats what makes it the enduring legend that it is. By comparison, Star Wars is very much a good vs evil adventure story that has been big screen adventures only in the main, if they ever made a Star Wars series, you can bet it would have a lot of Trek elements to it as it would have to dig deeper into the various characters/races and their stories/politics etc.
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Old September 14 2013, 06:00 PM   #27
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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I'm hoping for Trek to return to TV.

I think we all hope that.

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By comparison, Star Wars is very much a good vs evil adventure story that has been big screen adventures only in the main, if they ever made a Star Wars series, you can bet it would have a lot of Trek elements to it as it would have to dig deeper into the various characters/races and their stories/politics etc.
Star Wars has a Clone Wars series. I know its a cartoon but it seems sort of politically complicated like SW1,2,3. I don't know how the kids keep track of it.
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Old September 14 2013, 06:08 PM   #28
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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If I like it, it's real Star Trek. If I don't like it, it's not real Star Trek.
The best definition of 'real', pure and simple.
Yup. It's more honest than most responses.

Seriously, it's all real. The only question is what one likes and what one doesn't like.
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Old September 14 2013, 06:18 PM   #29
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane? JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.
None of those others things feel like a mixtape the way JJ Trek does.
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Old September 14 2013, 07:04 PM   #30
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Re: Not real Star Trek

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You do realize that The Motion Picture is a remake of The Changling, right? That Riker and Troi are recycled Decker and Illia? That Q is refried Trelane?
Yes but it's more noticeable when it comes to movies. That's why I said Trek belongs on TV because a new show every week isn't going to be a previous show recycled.

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JJ has a looooong way to go before matching Gene Roddenberry's record for recycling.
JJ's recycle rate is 100%. Can't beat that record.
I just watched STID and a few days ago watched ST09. Not the same film. A few similar elements is about it.

TOS loved to recycle. Did we really need two episodes where a mad man takes over an asylum? Or a society ran by an evil AI? God like aliens who test the crew? Then we have episodes across several series where someone falls in love with a woman who's arranged marriage will end some sort of conflict. Being on TV won't prevent recycling.
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