RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,674
Posts: 5,429,668
Members: 24,823
Currently online: 564
Newest member: voyagerman49


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Deep Space Nine

Deep Space Nine What We Left Behind, we will always have here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 3 2013, 11:33 PM   #46
Leto_II
Commander
 
Leto_II's Avatar
 
Location: Room 303, The Heart O' The City Hotel
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

It's cool -- we each have different reasons for buying a particular release, and they're all quite valid. Don't worry about it.
Leto_II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 4 2013, 09:26 PM   #47
dodge
Lieutenant Commander
 
dodge's Avatar
 
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

R. Star wrote: View Post
If you randomly poll non-Trek fans... [snip]...I'm sure that's going to factor into their decision.
I'm fairly certain non-Trek fans don't factor in the decision at all.

People don't generally buy box sets of shows they're not fans of.
__________________
Dear Sir, I object very strongly to that last scene, and to the next letter.
dodge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 04:15 AM   #48
gazomg
Commander
 
gazomg's Avatar
 
Location: The Peoples Republic of Cork
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

Dont think it will happen, hope I am wrong obviously but the work involved in DS9 is way harder due to the cgi and other stuff , from reports I have read.

Factor in its probably less popular than the more mainstrean TNG and it leaves me a bit negative on the prospect.
__________________
my trek site

http://gazomg-trek-art.blogspot.ie/
gazomg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 09:29 AM   #49
Ln X
Fleet Captain
 
Ln X's Avatar
 
Location: The great gig in the sky
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

gazomg wrote: View Post
Dont think it will happen, hope I am wrong obviously but the work involved in DS9 is way harder due to the cgi and other stuff , from reports I have read.

Factor in its probably less popular than the more mainstrean TNG and it leaves me a bit negative on the prospect.
I would feel pretty pissed off if they started converting VOY or ENT to blu-ray first.
__________________
Star Trek: The Approaching Shadow...

Caption contest: DS9
Ln X is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 09:34 AM   #50
BruntFCA
Commander
 
BruntFCA's Avatar
 
Location: A Mile High
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

Ln X wrote: View Post
gazomg wrote: View Post
Dont think it will happen, hope I am wrong obviously but the work involved in DS9 is way harder due to the cgi and other stuff , from reports I have read.

Factor in its probably less popular than the more mainstrean TNG and it leaves me a bit negative on the prospect.
I would feel pretty pissed off if they started converting VOY or ENT to blu-ray first.
ENT is already being released on blu-ray
__________________
"Well, I come from a long, long line of smartasses. Smartass is allergic to dumbass. It’s actually a physical allergy, as in you’re repulsed by dumbasses."
Josh Homme
BruntFCA is online now   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 12:27 PM   #51
MacLeod
Admiral
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

But then again ENT was more or less HD ready.
__________________
On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.
MacLeod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 07:52 PM   #52
SpHeRe31459
Captain
 
Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

MacLeod wrote: View Post
But then again ENT was more or less HD ready.
Right. ENT doesn't need any conversion so it's easy money for CBS to release.
SpHeRe31459 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14 2013, 09:31 PM   #53
DS9forever
Fleet Captain
 
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

SpHeRe31459 wrote: View Post
MacLeod wrote: View Post
But then again ENT was more or less HD ready.
Right. ENT doesn't need any conversion so it's easy money for CBS to release.
Easy money to spend on DS9-R hopefully!
DS9forever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 12:08 AM   #54
chrinFinity
Commander
 
chrinFinity's Avatar
 
Location: Scmocation
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

DS9forever wrote: View Post
SpHeRe31459 wrote: View Post
MacLeod wrote: View Post
But then again ENT was more or less HD ready.
Right. ENT doesn't need any conversion so it's easy money for CBS to release.
Easy money to spend on DS9-R hopefully!
Nope, not easy at all... they'd have to go through a similar process to what TNG went through, but then there's an additional snag...

DS9 might suffer from the Babylon 5 problem. A lot of the battles were CGI, and rendered at standard resolution. Fine for DVDs, but they'd need to track down all those files that came from different companies and have them re-rendered... If by a miracle they were able to do that, there might still be a concern if the quality of the models isn't good enough to look realistic at 1080p.

DS9 is the best Star Trek, so I would love to see it on Blu-Ray but unfortunately for some incomprehensible reason, most people don't seem to like DS9 as much as the others, and so given the additional difficulties who knows if it might ever happen.
__________________
i hate everything
chrinFinity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 12:41 AM   #55
bullethead
Fleet Captain
 
bullethead's Avatar
 
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

chrinFinity wrote: View Post
DS9forever wrote: View Post
SpHeRe31459 wrote: View Post

Right. ENT doesn't need any conversion so it's easy money for CBS to release.
Easy money to spend on DS9-R hopefully!
Nope, not easy at all... they'd have to go through a similar process to what TNG went through, but then there's an additional snag...

DS9 might suffer from the Babylon 5 problem. A lot of the battles were CGI, and rendered at standard resolution. Fine for DVDs, but they'd need to track down all those files that came from different companies and have them re-rendered... If by a miracle they were able to do that, there might still be a concern if the quality of the models isn't good enough to look realistic at 1080p.

DS9 is the best Star Trek, so I would love to see it on Blu-Ray but unfortunately for some incomprehensible reason, most people don't seem to like DS9 as much as the others, and so given the additional difficulties who knows if it might ever happen.
Trekmovie had that article a few months ago about how Rob Bonchune had a ton of DS9 CGI files. He used them to render an HD screencap of that Nebula class ship from Waltz.
__________________
A business man and engineer discuss how to launch a communications satellite in the 1960s:
Biz Dev Guy: Your communications satellite has to be the size, shape, and weight of a hydrogen bomb.
bullethead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 01:11 AM   #56
Jax
Admiral
 
Jax's Avatar
 
Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

Buying TNG/TOS/ENT on Blu Ray is possible the best way we have of getting DS9 on Blu Ray + Voyager. I refuse to buy TNG until all 7 are ready though so HURRY UP with em
__________________
If Fidelity to freedom and democracy is the code of our civic religion then surely the code of our humanity is faithful service to that unwritten commandment that says we shall give our children better than we ourselves received
Jax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 05:10 AM   #57
SpHeRe31459
Captain
 
Location: Sacramento, CA
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

bullethead wrote: View Post
chrinFinity wrote: View Post
DS9forever wrote: View Post

Easy money to spend on DS9-R hopefully!
Nope, not easy at all... they'd have to go through a similar process to what TNG went through, but then there's an additional snag...

DS9 might suffer from the Babylon 5 problem. A lot of the battles were CGI, and rendered at standard resolution. Fine for DVDs, but they'd need to track down all those files that came from different companies and have them re-rendered... If by a miracle they were able to do that, there might still be a concern if the quality of the models isn't good enough to look realistic at 1080p.

DS9 is the best Star Trek, so I would love to see it on Blu-Ray but unfortunately for some incomprehensible reason, most people don't seem to like DS9 as much as the others, and so given the additional difficulties who knows if it might ever happen.
Trekmovie had that article a few months ago about how Rob Bonchune had a ton of DS9 CGI files. He used them to render an HD screencap of that Nebula class ship from Waltz.
TrekCore actually.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/dee...e-step-closer/

The problem still remains that multiple vendors provided the CGI for DS9 and VOY, so it gets harder to have the original CGI assets that way. Rob's obviously got some from working at Foundation Imaging, but there are quite a few others that Digital Muse did. Both of which are defunct companies.

The only choice for missing assets is start again from scratch, something that could be quite an undertaking. Since it's not just the models (which could easily be licensed from awesome CG artists like CBS Digital is rumored to have done with Tobias Richter's Enterprise-D model for TNG-R), it's the entire render: the positions of ships, lighting, etc. that would need to be redone.

Don't get me wrong, I want DS9-R very badly, I really really want to see remastered. DS9 had a depth and breadth that no other show could match. We just to have understand what huge undertaking this could be for CBS. Let alone trying to do VOY which is all CGI for 7 seasons.

Last edited by SpHeRe31459; September 15 2013 at 05:24 AM.
SpHeRe31459 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 09:14 PM   #58
Robert Comsol
Commodore
 
Robert Comsol's Avatar
 
Location: USS Berlin
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

gazomg wrote: View Post
Dont think it will happen, hope I am wrong obviously but the work involved in DS9 is way harder due to the cgi and other stuff, from reports I have read.
I think The Making of DS9 hints some of the obstacles. In contrast to TNG they made quite some use of fixing shooting errors on the sets by means of early CGI (that wouldn't show in NTSC resolution).

So there is the probability that they really have to go through the camera negatives to look for these flaws they fixed in CGI post-production. If they kept records that would help to minimize the search for these errors, but they will have to correct these.

Bob
__________________
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth" Jean-Luc Picard
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
Robert Comsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 15 2013, 09:30 PM   #59
MacLeod
Admiral
 
Location: Great Britain
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

^Doesn't it depend on exactly what those errors were? After all just because they might have had to do a fix for NTSC did they have to do that for PAL which has a higher resolution than NTSC.
__________________
On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.
MacLeod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 16 2013, 09:39 AM   #60
Robert Comsol
Commodore
 
Robert Comsol's Avatar
 
Location: USS Berlin
Re: DS9 on blu-ray -- What can we do?

They used primitive CGI to fix the seams on Odo's makeup in Season One, cover up microphones extending into the image and reflections of studio equipment on the display screens.

Back in those days of standard definition resolution (regardless whether NTSC or PAL) they could get away with it (you wouldn't / didn't notice) but in remastered HD the original camera footage would reveal those flaws, therefore these need to be fixed again with state-of-the-art CGI.

I really don't know how big this problem is, hopefully they didn't get too sloppy knowing "We can fix this with CGI in post-production."

Bob
__________________
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth" Jean-Luc Picard
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
Robert Comsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:03 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.