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Old September 13 2013, 12:44 PM   #166
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Re: What Happens After Death

General feeling is that it's finite but boundless. But don't quote me on that.
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Old September 13 2013, 01:04 PM   #167
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There is no way to prove it's not boundless, but what if it wasn't? What would happen when a universe bumps into another?

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Old September 13 2013, 05:33 PM   #168
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Since there is no evidence of "other" universes except as a very tentative theoretical explanation for some weird quirks of cosmology, I'm rather certain the answer is "fuck me if we know".
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Old September 13 2013, 08:33 PM   #169
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There is no way to prove it's not boundless, but what if it wasn't? What would happen when a universe bumps into another?
The Big Bang, according to one theory.

We can't currently prove that the universe is boundless, but someday we might. In fact, according to an episode of Through the Wormhole, at least one scientist believes he has found such proof. I'm not sure of the details, but something to do with patterns in the Cosmic Background Radiation that look the same in opposite directions, suggesting not only that the universe is finite and boundless, but also that it's not much larger (about 20% larger) than the observable universe.
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Old September 13 2013, 11:28 PM   #170
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Heh, the continuity problem is why I find the prospect of Star Trek-style transporters horrifying.
That wouldn't bother me so much, especially if I could make copies of myself at the other end. I would die if I could know that there would be, say, one of me in every field of research. A version of me who studied different kinds of music--a "me" for every task.

At the end of life, a library of me would be downloaded. All this for the price of instant vaporization.

I would walk to my end in a booth in a moment, and not hesitate, knowing my worldview would go on, my interests, my whimsey.

It beats it winding down due to the age and poverty which afflict me now.

Irrelevance is worse than death.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:56 AM   #171
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Heh, the continuity problem is why I find the prospect of Star Trek-style transporters horrifying.
That wouldn't bother me so much, especially if I could make copies of myself at the other end. I would die if I could know that there would be, say, one of me in every field of research. A version of me who studied different kinds of music--a "me" for every task.

At the end of life, a library of me would be downloaded. All this for the price of instant vaporization.

I would walk to my end in a booth in a moment, and not hesitate, knowing my worldview would go on, my interests, my whimsey.

It beats it winding down due to the age and poverty which afflict me now.

Irrelevance is worse than death.
It would be like just closing your eyes and then opening then again from the point of view of the copy.

When you think about it maybe that's what happens when you go to sleep. The "current you" is only you for a few hours, then a copy of you restored when you wake up.
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Old September 14 2013, 05:32 AM   #172
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^Except there's not continuity problem when it comes to sleep, because the brain is active the entire time.
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Old September 14 2013, 07:28 AM   #173
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^Except there's not continuity problem when it comes to sleep, because the brain is active the entire time.
But consciousness is not.
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Old September 14 2013, 07:59 AM   #174
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^Except there's not continuity problem when it comes to sleep, because the brain is active the entire time.
But consciousness is not.
Can we prove that there is no awareness during sleep? Maybe we just don't remember it. There is certainly a form of awareness when dreaming, and it is mostly forgotten by the time we wake. Is it possible that there is also a forgotten awareness when not dreaming?
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Old September 14 2013, 02:45 PM   #175
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What would happen when a universe bumps into another?
According to The Ekpyrotic model, it creates a new universe.

http://www.phschool.com/science/scie...s_collide.html

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Old September 14 2013, 06:20 PM   #176
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^Except there's not continuity problem when it comes to sleep, because the brain is active the entire time.
But consciousness is not.
So? Your state of consciousness varies widely throughout the entire day, whether you are awake or asleep. The continuous narrative of consciousness that we presume is largely an illusion. The brain is intact, active, and functioning at different levels of consciousness while you sleep. It learns, it remembers, it thinks, it has ideas, it comprehends the passage of time. Ultimately, you are less conscious than you think you are while you are awake, and more conscious than you think you are while you are asleep. There really aren't that many major differences between sleeping and waking brains, and there certainly isn't a continuity problem.
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Old September 14 2013, 06:56 PM   #177
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I remember getting wisdom teeth extracted, and it was as if I just didn't exist. I have never had such a null feeling. I don't know if you can really tell if you are sleeping, but it isn't the same as dead. And even when under, I somehow was guided to my feet to a waiting room to wake up--even though I don't remember it.

There have been times where I felt as if I were going to sleep too fast, and would wake up, and drift to sleep more slowly.
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Old September 14 2013, 07:03 PM   #178
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^Exactly. Anesthesia is a much better analogy to the continuity problem than sleep. It is a very different experience to sleeping. It's still not a perfect comparison, though, because the physical brain never ceases to exist.
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Old September 14 2013, 10:35 PM   #179
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Since there is no evidence of "other" universes except as a very tentative theoretical explanation for some weird quirks of cosmology, I'm rather certain the answer is "fuck me if we know".
This!
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Old September 16 2013, 05:05 PM   #180
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^Pooling ideas are fine but I think that's the overall message that's being said.
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