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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 197 56.13%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 58 16.52%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 39 11.11%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 51 14.53%
I don't know. 6 1.71%
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Old September 13 2013, 05:24 AM   #106
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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Though I wasn't a fan of Sisko's part in getting the Romulans to join in the Dominion war.
I was. One of the few times in Modern Trek where a character actually felt human. They needed more of that. It turned my stomach when Picard refused to terminate the Borg in I, Borg.
Agreed. I love that episode of DS9, though I still feel Garak was the most human among them.
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Old September 13 2013, 11:33 AM   #107
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Though I wasn't a fan of Sisko's part in getting the Romulans to join in the Dominion war.
I was. One of the few times in Modern Trek where a character actually felt human. They needed more of that. It turned my stomach when Picard refused to terminate the Borg in I, Borg.
Agreed. I love that episode of DS9, though I still feel Garak was the most human among them.
I loved this episode too! This is what I mean about making a new film darker & this is the reason DS9 is my favourite series.

I enjoyed this episode much more than the last 2 Trek movies! Bring back the prime.
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Old September 13 2013, 01:32 PM   #108
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

I mean, I liked everything about the episode, mostly Garak, but Sisko wasn't very "Captain"ly. It shows his human side but Captains are suppose to be above that sort of dealing.
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Old September 13 2013, 01:38 PM   #109
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No one choice is predominant over the other but I was under the impression that the BBS was over run with anti-prime-timeliners.

Exactly, 100% what these guys said.

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I don't think that's the case at all.

But I'm sure there are others like me who feel the Prime timeline ran its course and that it was time to move onto the next phase of the franchise.
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No one dislikes it, we just think characters are more important than coninuity. New anything-can-happen stories with our favourite characters > unknown characters who happen to live in the same universe as TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.
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Old September 13 2013, 02:18 PM   #110
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Who said anything about dreary? Just because it's darker doesn't mean that it has to be bad. I thought Moore did a great job with BSG & didn't find it dreary at all.
I did. There wasn't a single likable character in the bunch. By the end of the second season I was rooting for the Cylons to finish the job exterminating humanity.

I like for my Star Trek to be about an optimistic future where we are still human but we made it.
^^ QFT. I watched BSG all the way through and as each episode aired, I couldn't think of group of people more deserving of being victims of genocide than the refugees from the Colonies. You are definitely right about rooting for the Cylons. The only two people who deserved to live on that show were Helo and Athena. As far the rest, I'd open the airlock myself.

Same deal with Stargate: Universe. I kind of wished everyone on that ship would go through the Stargate and meet a titanium iris on the other side.

I'd be willing to see a more "realistic" or "grittier" Star Trek series, as long as the writers don't make everyone an asshole.

Edit to add: I might spare Doc Cottle as well .. he was an asshole, but I'm pretty sure it was just because he wanted to airlock everyone too.
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Old September 13 2013, 02:44 PM   #111
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I mean, I liked everything about the episode, mostly Garak, but Sisko wasn't very "Captain"ly. It shows his human side but Captains are suppose to be above that sort of dealing.

Above it? So you'd have them lose the war on principle and let humanity along with every other neighboring race enslaved or destroyed simply because they should be above that sort of thing? Or did you expect Sisko to delegate it to O'brien?
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Old September 13 2013, 04:09 PM   #112
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^I'm not saying they should have kept the Romulans out of it, I'm saying they could have done it differently. Maybe Sisko could have exposed the Dominion's plan of galactic control to the Romulans. If Sisko had to be apart of a cover up, maybe throw Section 31 into it (focusing the blame on them) or have him save the log he wrote during that episode for future judgement. It could be what you said about fans being passionate about it going against what Trek is supposed to be. I was more shocked at his choice than respecting it.
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Old September 13 2013, 04:12 PM   #113
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^I'm not saying they should have kept the Romulans out of it, I'm saying they could have done it differently. Maybe exposed the Dominion's plan of galactic control to the Romulans. If Sisko had to be apart of a cover up, maybe throw Section 31 into it or have him save the log he wrote during that episode for future judgement. It could be what you said about fans being passionate about it going against what Trek is supposed to be. I was more shocked at his choice than respecting it.
In the end, he made the only choice that could be made. How many months or years could it have taken to come up with real evidence of the Dominion's plans?
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Old September 13 2013, 04:32 PM   #114
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^A lot of lives was lost based on his lie. Of course more would be lost if he did nothing but [see last post].
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^A lot of lives was lost based on his lie.
That is something that Sisko has to live with for the rest of his days. But he can balance that regret with the knowledge that his way of life will go on because of his actions.
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^ I understood his choice, I just don't respect it.
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^ I understood his choice, I just don't respect it.
I don't understand why, honestly.

A man spends every day for months on end looking at casualty reports, watching friends of his die daily. Even the coldest person would want to put an end to the blood-letting.

Like Garak said, it cost the life of a Romulan senator and his guards, the life of a convict and the self-respect of a Starfleet officer. Like Garak, I consider it quite a bargain.

In a simple cost vs. benefit analysis, Sisko comes out ahead.
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Old September 13 2013, 05:55 PM   #118
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^I'm not saying they should have kept the Romulans out of it, I'm saying they could have done it differently. Maybe Sisko could have exposed the Dominion's plan of galactic control to the Romulans. If Sisko had to be apart of a cover up, maybe throw Section 31 into it (focusing the blame on them) or have him save the log he wrote during that episode for future judgement. It could be what you said about fans being passionate about it going against what Trek is supposed to be. I was more shocked at his choice than respecting it.
As BillJ said, assuming the Dominion is dumb enough to even document those plans, they're not readily accessible At all and they were losing the war then and now. They even tried and it cost the lives of Garak's associates. And really... I dislike the notion that every time a human does something bad it HAS to be Section 31. The novels especially tend to take this too far. Forbid the whole race isn't perfect and anyone that isn't just has to be part of the Axis of Evil.

Save the log entry? Are you nuts? A log entry can be hacked easy enough. Heck we see Starfleet officers dig through other people's personal logs all the time. If word of that came out later, it would lead to another war and even more people dying. I can understand people not liking the choice, it literally was a case of choosing bad vs worse, but the way you're speaking against it... what do you think he should have done? Would you have respected him more if he didn't act and the Federation lost the war?
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Old September 13 2013, 06:02 PM   #119
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Being a Starfleet commander during a time of war is not going to be fun or pretty. You're going to have to make hard decisions that are going to cost lives and take a toll on your conscience. That episode works because it's honest enough to admit that.

There's a reason they call it "the final frontier." Because it's sometimes rough and dangerous.
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Old September 13 2013, 06:12 PM   #120
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^ I understood his choice, I just don't respect it.
A man spends every day for months on end looking at casualty reports, watching friends of his die daily. Even the coldest person would want to put an end to the blood-letting.

Like Garak said, it cost the life of a Romulan senator and his guards, the life of a convict and the self-respect of a Starfleet officer. Like Garak, I consider it quite a bargain.

In a simple cost vs. benefit analysis, Sisko comes out ahead.
Like I said, I understood it. The benefits clearly outweigh the costs.
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And really... I dislike the notion that every time a human does something bad it HAS to be Section 31. The novels especially tend to take this too far. Forbid the whole race isn't perfect and anyone that isn't just has to be part of the Axis of Evil.
It's a cheat to blame it on Section 31, I know, but they have always been Starfleets way of having their cake and eating it too.
Save the log entry? Are you nuts? A log entry can be hacked easy enough.
That's where Section 31 could come into play, deleting the file.

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