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View Poll Results: Rate Revelation and Dust.
Outstanding 29 25.00%
Above Average 46 39.66%
Average 27 23.28%
Below Average 8 6.90%
Poor 6 5.17%
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Old September 12 2013, 11:43 PM   #271
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Given how review threads usually go in here, the general tone and comments in this thread are a pretty good indication that it was not as well received as some of the previous books.
Don't mistake a few people talking more than others for a general consensus.

The fact remains that 2/3rds of the people here who rated it gave it a positive rating.
By that metric, every TrekLit novel is the epitome of literary art.
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Old September 12 2013, 11:45 PM   #272
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-Description of new DS9
-Re-telling of the Emissary
-Meet the whole cast of DS9 again
-Galactically important event.

all intercut every other chapter with a mildly boring hard to relate to Bajoran backstory about Kira? Or maybe not, I'm still not sure. that pays off at the end with an appearance by somebody out of nowhere who might be known or important but I'm not sure because I have never heard of the character, and Kira meeting with some other character who I assume was in other books that I haven't read. (I've read a lot) These storys have no payoff, neither does the Bacco story or the Odo story. Or any story. It was an info dump. No wonder it's at 2.6/5 on amazon.
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Old September 12 2013, 11:46 PM   #273
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

JeBuS wrote: View Post
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Given how review threads usually go in here, the general tone and comments in this thread are a pretty good indication that it was not as well received as some of the previous books.
Don't mistake a few people talking more than others for a general consensus.

The fact remains that 2/3rds of the people here who rated it gave it a positive rating.
By that metric, every TrekLit novel is the epitome of literary art.
Please don't put words in my mouth, as I claimed no such thing. The only "standard" I cited was the fact that a 2/3rds majority of reviewers here gave it a positive rating; this is an indisputable fact.

EDITED TO ADD:

Further, bear in mind that I cited this fact simply to point out to JD that he may well enjoy Revelation and Dust once he reads it, in spite of others' disenjoyment. I was not citing this to make any larger argument about literary quality.
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Old September 12 2013, 11:48 PM   #274
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Don't mistake a few people talking more than others for a general consensus.

The fact remains that 2/3rds of the people here who rated it gave it a positive rating.
By that metric, every TrekLit novel is the epitome of literary art.
Please don't put words in my mouth, as I claimed no such thing. The only "standard" I cited was the fact that a 2/3rds majority of reviewers here gave it a positive rating; this is an indisputable fact.
I don't think I did. I simply pointed out that saying 2/3rds of the reviewers here is quite a meaningless statistic. The audience here is biased. I think we all realize that.
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Old September 12 2013, 11:52 PM   #275
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By that metric, every TrekLit novel is the epitome of literary art.
Please don't put words in my mouth, as I claimed no such thing. The only "standard" I cited was the fact that a 2/3rds majority of reviewers here gave it a positive rating; this is an indisputable fact.
I don't think I did. I simply pointed out that saying 2/3rds of the reviewers here is quite a meaningless statistic. The audience here is biased. I think we all realize that.
Sure -- we're a self-selecting group that's already prone towards enjoying Star Trek novels. Which means that JD may well enjoy the book anyway, irrelevant of others' disenjoyment.

Besides, novels are not enjoyed objectively. Enjoyment is an inherently subjective experience; it's not like we're measuring barometric pressure.
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Old September 12 2013, 11:55 PM   #276
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Besides, novels are not enjoyed objectively. Enjoyment is an inherently subjective experience; it's not like we're measuring barometric pressure.
Nor are we measuring genital size. But that hasn't stopped certain posters from insisting that theirs is bigger simply because they say so.

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Old September 13 2013, 12:01 AM   #277
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Nor are we measuring genital size. But that hasn't stopped certain posters from insisting that theirs is bigger simply because they say so.

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Consider me suitably chastised if that's the way I came off. I was just trying to have an interesting literary discussion.
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Old September 13 2013, 12:04 AM   #278
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Consider me suitably chastised if that's the way I came off. I was just trying to have an interesting literary discussion.
Not to worry. I wasn't talking about you.

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Old September 13 2013, 01:03 AM   #279
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Given how review threads usually go in here, the general tone and comments in this thread are a pretty good indication that it was not as well received as some of the previous books.
Don't mistake a few people talking more than others for a general consensus.

The fact remains that 2/3rds of the people here who rated it gave it a positive rating.
Are you intentionally misunderstanding? I simply used the same metric you're using. I'm not really referencing the thread itself, just comparing the numbers you used to the ones other books here have gotten.

You hold up 2/3rds positive as proof of good quality (or opinions, I suppose), I'm pointing out that the Trek books here usually seem to do in the 85-90% positive, so when those same people are 'only' rating this one 66% positive, it's STILL saying something. It just looks weird because we're all Trek fans and forgive a certain amount, so the floor for voting is usually a lot higher. Anything that doesn't intentionally suck will get at LEAST 50% thumbs up here

Last two threads I could find were for an ENT book and a TOS book. They got 87% and 73% as above average or higher, by comparison. The TOS book also had 20% that went average, so not much left for the below average or poor options. Same voters, for the most part. If this one's doing worse, doesn't that say something?
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Old September 13 2013, 01:35 AM   #280
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Besides, novels are not enjoyed objectively. Enjoyment is an inherently subjective experience; it's not like we're measuring barometric pressure.
Nor are we measuring genital size. But that hasn't stopped certain posters from insisting that theirs is bigger simply because they say so.

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Old September 13 2013, 02:22 AM   #281
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Just finished. Slight, but I don't seem to mind much. DRG3 used to write giant novels, and now (as Christopher has pointed out a couple times) there aren't really giant Trek novels being written, so it just takes him more novels to get his stories out than it used to. I have a feeling that Kira's stuff is DS9 setup and not The Fall setup (I don't know why, and I'd love to be proven wrong, but I bet we don't see Taran'atar again until the next DS9 event), but even still: I'm willing to be patient.

Plagues/Dawn, if nothing else, showed that DRG3's stories are surprising enough that the first third (namely, Rough Beasts) can be essential to a phenomenal narrative, but rather off-putting on its own.

I agree this isn't satisfying as a standalone, but I'm also willing to wait for larger stories and judge its worth in hindsight. Certainly, the threads open here - Odo and the Changeling, Cardassian unrest, the Tzenkethi potentially being responsible for Bacco's assassination, Kira's experience, and the return of my very favorite DS9 Relaunch character at the end (can I just get a SQUEE! for just a second? thank you) - are, on the face of it, much more interesting than the threads dangling from the Typhon Pact novels were to me. And he brought those threads all home in style.

Despite the obviously slight nature of the plot, here, this had the perhaps counter intuitive effect of making me more excited for DRG3's next DS9 novel (assuming such a thing occurs) than for the rest of The Fall. I'm sure the rest of this miniseries will resolve a couple of those threads I listed, but I get the feeling DRG3 is settling in for a long game here, and the last time he did that, the finale was one of my favorite Trek novels of all time. I'll give him the chance again - no question.
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Old September 13 2013, 02:22 AM   #282
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Re: TF: Revelation and Dust by DRGIII Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Scout101 wrote: View Post
Sci wrote: View Post
Scout101 wrote: View Post
Given how review threads usually go in here, the general tone and comments in this thread are a pretty good indication that it was not as well received as some of the previous books.
Don't mistake a few people talking more than others for a general consensus.

The fact remains that 2/3rds of the people here who rated it gave it a positive rating.
Are you intentionally misunderstanding? I simply used the same metric you're using. I'm not really referencing the thread itself, just comparing the numbers you used to the ones other books here have gotten.

You hold up 2/3rds positive as proof of good quality (or opinions, I suppose),
No. I cite the 2/3rds number to point out to JD that the negative reviews are not a consensus and that therefore he may yet enjoy the book once he reads it.
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Old September 13 2013, 03:40 AM   #283
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I'm thinking I probably will because I tend to fall more in line with the other readers here than on places like Amazon. But now I'm just a little more nervous than I would have been if it got rave reviews everywhere.
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Old September 13 2013, 03:51 AM   #284
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I'm thinking I probably will because I tend to fall more in line with the other readers here than on places like Amazon. But now I'm just a little more nervous than I would have been if it got rave reviews everywhere.
You're going to read it anyway. We're all going to read it anyway. How bad it is pretty much doesn't matter when it comes to the people here.
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Old September 13 2013, 03:57 AM   #285
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Not in my case. I stopped both Before Dishnor and Seize the Fire after only a couple chapters. I'm going to give something a good review just because it's Trek.
The only reason I've loved the Trek books so much, is because they are damn good books. If I don't like a book, I'll say I don't like it whether it is Trek or not.
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