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Old September 11 2013, 10:56 PM   #496
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Re: New Book about TOS: These Are The Voyages

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Things might have been different if Desilu hadn't had both shows (TOS and M:I) in concurrent production. If they'd had only one then it mightn't have been such a drain on resources. But they hit the jackpot (so to speak) in getting both series sold and only one would really last, possibly and partly because it had broader appeal and was more easily accessible for a general audience.
Desilu had three shows in production when the studio was bought by Paramount. Don't forget "Mannix."
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Old September 11 2013, 11:46 PM   #497
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Things might have been different if Desilu hadn't had both shows (TOS and M:I) in concurrent production. If they'd had only one then it mightn't have been such a drain on resources. But they hit the jackpot (so to speak) in getting both series sold and only one would really last, possibly and partly because it had broader appeal and was more easily accessible for a general audience.
Desilu had three shows in production when the studio was bought by Paramount. Don't forget "Mannix."
But Mannix was basically a conventional detective series---no high concept there with demanding post-production issues.
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Old September 12 2013, 03:06 AM   #498
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Speaking of Enemy Within, somehow I never realized before that the only reason they came up with the green tunic was to differentiate the two Kirks.
I realized that last year, when I was inundating myself with TOS.

I didn't have proof, but it made the most sense. Glad this book settles that one.
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Old September 12 2013, 12:32 PM   #499
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Watching the episode, it's as if they'd all known each other for years. I guess that's ACTinggg!
In TOS with just a few lines of dialogue you got the idea that everyone knew each other pretty well from the get-go.
I wish they'd done that a bit more in STID. After all they were together for at least 6 months before the movie. Sometimes it looked like nuKirk and nuSpock had just met.
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Old September 12 2013, 01:06 PM   #500
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That can't be right, De's first episode was Corbomite Manuever. The book even says the sickbay scene was the first filmed.
You are correct; the first shot of the series was the sickbay scene from "The Corbomite Manuever" which was with De and Shat.
I guess I'm easily confused by excessive amounts of information read out of order (I've been reading on my favorite eps first, then going back to read the book in order).
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Old September 12 2013, 02:29 PM   #501
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Speaking of Enemy Within, somehow I never realized before that the only reason they came up with the green tunic was to differentiate the two Kirks.
That is interesting. We got to see that alternate only twice I believe (also in "Charlie X") and yet it remains my favourite of all Trek uniforms. I like it better than the 2nd season version even though its basically the same concept.


If they'd kept the 1st season alternate tunic.

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Old September 12 2013, 02:47 PM   #502
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Watching the episode, it's as if they'd all known each other for years. I guess that's ACTinggg!
In TOS with just a few lines of dialogue you got the idea that everyone knew each other pretty well from the get-go.
I wish they'd done that a bit more in STID. After all they were together for at least 6 months before the movie. Sometimes it looked like nuKirk and nuSpock had just met.
That is exactly why that Joe Sargent had a full rehearsal day prior to shooting the first day. Since their were three new regulars, and Doohan and Takei had only been on WNMHGB for a few days - Shatner didn't recognize Takei at all when seeing him again at a shoot in between! - he figured it was essentially a new cast, and needed to get to know one another.
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Old September 12 2013, 05:50 PM   #503
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That is interesting. We got to see that alternate only twice I believe (also in "Charlie X") and yet it remains my favourite of all Trek uniforms. I like it better than the 2nd season version even though its basically the same concept.
I always found the gold trim around the neck a bit distracting myself. Although I did prefer the thicker material of that version to the more body-hugging green tunics we saw later.
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Old September 12 2013, 06:11 PM   #504
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Wow, just read the chapter on Court Martial, and was surprised to see just how vehemently opposed NBC was to doing the story. The idea never seemed that out of place to me on the series, and you'd think they'd realize how inherently dramatic and exciting it would be to see Kirk put on trial (and of course the network had no problem with having another court martial in the Menagerie two-parter for some reason).

I realize they were hungry for more action and adventure, but it should have been obvious that Roddenberry and the studio didn't exactly have the money to do that every week. There were going to have to be some smaller bottle episodes now and then, and I thought this episode was one of the better examples of that (surprised to see the producers were so unhappy with it-- although I agree the bit with the white noise microphone was pretty silly).

This is also the first time I think the author goes a bit overboard with his criticism of the episode. I don't mind hearing his perspective, but we don't need an entire page devoted to every little nitpick he has.
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Old September 12 2013, 07:50 PM   #505
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The first season green shirt was also seen in Court Martial.
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Old September 12 2013, 10:00 PM   #506
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Wow, just read the chapter on Court Martial, and was surprised to see just how vehemently opposed NBC was to doing the story. The idea never seemed that out of place to me on the series, and you'd think they'd realize how inherently dramatic and exciting it would be to see Kirk put on trial (and of course the network had no problem with having another court martial in the Menagerie two-parter for some reason).

I realize they were hungry for more action and adventure, but it should have been obvious that Roddenberry and the studio didn't exactly have the money to do that every week. There were going to have to be some smaller bottle episodes now and then, and I thought this episode was one of the better examples of that (surprised to see the producers were so unhappy with it-- although I agree the bit with the white noise microphone was pretty silly).
I think NBC never understood the idea that the ENTERPRISE was as much of a star of the show as any of the actors - something Roddenberry had been trying to sell to them over and over again.
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Old September 13 2013, 12:02 AM   #507
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Do we have any evidence that Roddenberry did, in fact, try to sell them on this idea of the ship being a star?
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Old September 13 2013, 12:08 AM   #508
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Well, if there were even a quarter-as-many war vets among the suits as there were among the writer/producers, they should have been receptive to the Nightingale Woman aspects of man machine love. If there weren't any vets, than GR probably wouldn't have bothered with that angle, though based on Kirk's speech about HER in NAKED TIME, it is clear that GR or Black felt it pretty important.
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Old September 13 2013, 01:08 AM   #509
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Do we have any evidence that Roddenberry did, in fact, try to sell them on this idea of the ship being a star?
I haven't seen anything indicating this. If he did, it obviously didn't work. NBC wanted to see strange new worlds as often as possible, and grumbled at nearly every bottle show outline submitted to them.

I know Warped9 has made it there, but has anyone else made it to the chapter on 'The Alternative Factor?' I still think the author's central narrative there -- that NBC forced a late re-write to avoid an interracial (that is, black/white) romance -- is asserted without any evidence. There's no memo that actually says it, and no interview after the fact that supports it.

Thinking further, if this is true, it's sort of odd that Roddenberry (who loved to blame NBC) never opened up about this in public. He never had a problem asserting the network was racist or too meddling before.
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Old September 13 2013, 01:44 AM   #510
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^^^In my review of the first draft script of "The Alternative Factor" I speculated that perhaps that may have been a reason the storyline was changed. One of many possible reasons. I understand that the author does credit Orion Press, so perhaps he picked up on that speculation and ran with it.

http://www.orionpressfanzines.com/ar...ve_factor2.htm

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