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Old September 11 2013, 01:25 AM   #91
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Re: STAR TREK the enemy of LOST IN SPACE?

The ONLY good LIS was the short-lived comic book from the 1990's publish by Innovation Comics and written by Bill Mumy. That and the 1998 movie are all I can stand of LIS.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:23 AM   #92
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One of the ironies of LOST IN SPACE, almost a cognitive dissonance, is that some of the implausible, unserious episodes were tracked with serious, richly splendored John Williams music from the earliest (and really good) episodes.
The only first-season LiS episodes with original music were the first seven, with the rest of the season reusing the music from those. "Johnny" Williams did episodes 1, 3, 5, and 7. Episode 2 was scored by Herman Stein, Hans J. Salter, and Richard LaSalle (though I believe only Stein was billed), and Stein also did two original cues for episode 4 and a full score (with assistance by Frank Comstock) for episode 6. Additional music in those first seven episodes (including most of episode 4's score -- and the entire original pilot score) was tracked from Bernard Herrmann's scores to The Day the Earth Stood Still, The Garden of Evil, and Beneath the Twelve-Mile Reef (source of the unforgettable "jet pack" music).

So Williams was only responsible for something more than half the music you're thinking of; the rest was Stein, Herrmann, LaSalle, and Salter, in approximately descending order.

And it's not really a cognitive dissonance that music by Williams was used to score comedy episodes. He was, after all, the original composer for Gilligan's Island (scoring the unaired pilot and most of the early first season, although Comstock did the first two aired episodes), along with the sitcom Bachelor Father and comedy movies like Gidget Goes to Rome and How to Steal a Million. Granted, though, most of the comedy music for LiS's first season was in the Stein episodes, I believe.


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The ONLY good LIS was the short-lived comic book from the 1990's publish by Innovation Comics and written by Bill Mumy. That and the 1998 movie are all I can stand of LIS.
I'd leave out the '98 movie, which was a mess, and include the first seven episodes and some of the rest of the first season. After all, the Innovation comic was basically returning the series to its original tone and approach from those first few episodes, extrapolating what the series could've been if Jonathan Harris hadn't drawn it in a more humorous direction.
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Old September 11 2013, 07:28 AM   #93
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So Williams was only responsible for something more than half the music you're thinking of; the rest was Stein, Herrmann, LaSalle, and Salter, in approximately descending order.
Your information is all correct, thanks, but I'm aware of who wrote which cues. I had the Williams music in mind specifically. You must be a fellow film score fan.

I'm glad we have most of JW's LIS contributions on CD, although there is one cue from "The Reluctant Stowaway" that was tracked like crazy throughout the series and it is not on CD. Someone put it on youtube as "Waking Up the Robinsons." Good stuff. Immensely distinctive and alien.

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I'd leave out the '98 movie, which was a mess, and include the first seven episodes and some of the rest of the first season.
I like many aspects of the feature film but, no question, it has some problems. And I'll go right along with your assessment of the first season.
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Old September 11 2013, 01:59 PM   #94
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^All the Stein episodes are on CD as well, though I think the version I have of the episode 4 & 6 scores is from third-season rerecordings. (At least, that album has rerecordings of the first-season scores that I have the original versions of on other CDs.) And all the Herrmann library music from LiS is available on the soundtracks for the original movies. So virtually all of LiS's first-season music is available on disc.

I tracked down that cue on YouTube, and yeah, I recognized it instantly.
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Old September 11 2013, 05:09 PM   #95
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The ONLY good LIS was the short-lived comic book from the 1990's publish by Innovation Comics and written by Bill Mumy. That and the 1998 movie are all I can stand of LIS.
I'd leave out the '98 movie, which was a mess, and include the first seven episodes and some of the rest of the first season.
I agree about the movie. It didn't impress me at all and I had such high hopes for it.
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Old September 11 2013, 06:14 PM   #96
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Re: STAR TREK the enemy of LOST IN SPACE?

Reading this thread made me finally get around to watching Lost in Space for the first time. Almost done with the first season already!

It's very silly, very entertaining, and after the first handful of episodes, clearly intended for such a different audience than Star Trek that there shouldn't even be a comparison.

Also, the music is fantastic.
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Old September 11 2013, 07:03 PM   #97
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I honestly like John Williams's Lost in Space music better than his later movie scores.
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Old September 12 2013, 01:25 AM   #98
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Lost in Space "got campy" in its first season. It wasn't coldly serious for the whole year, and you can see the switch pretty clearly from fairly solid, straight SF adventure to wacky fantasy. The real transition from serious to comedy was The Space Croppers, when the Robinson's are visited by aliens dressed as hillbillies in a space ship that looked like a log cabin. From that episode forward, things got dicey. Suddenly Smith's comedy antics really took center stage. The main difference in season 2 was that the series became Children's Theater, with wacky monsters and colorful eccentric aliens.
Wow, there was a LiS episode called The Space Croppers? That was also used as the title of a Galactica 1980 episode. The writers of the latter must have been telegraphing "This series has officially become a lame, silly kids' show."

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Old September 12 2013, 01:34 AM   #99
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The ONLY good LIS was the short-lived comic book from the 1990's publish by Innovation Comics and written by Bill Mumy. That and the 1998 movie are all I can stand of LIS.
I'd leave out the '98 movie, which was a mess, and include the first seven episodes and some of the rest of the first season. After all, the Innovation comic was basically returning the series to its original tone and approach from those first few episodes, extrapolating what the series could've been if Jonathan Harris hadn't drawn it in a more humorous direction.
Agree.


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The ONLY good LIS was the short-lived comic book from the 1990's publish by Innovation Comics and written by Bill Mumy. That and the 1998 movie are all I can stand of LIS.
I'd leave out the '98 movie, which was a mess, and include the first seven episodes and some of the rest of the first season.
I agree about the movie. It didn't impress me at all and I had such high hopes for it.
Agree.

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Old September 12 2013, 03:18 AM   #100
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Reading this thread made me finally get around to watching Lost in Space for the first time. Almost done with the first season already!

It's very silly, very entertaining, and after the first handful of episodes, clearly intended for such a different audience than Star Trek that there shouldn't even be a comparison.

Also, the music is fantastic.
Thank you for that. It's nice to see someone come to LIS afresh, with no nostalgia attached, and like the show for itself.

And there's no question LIS music is superb and can hold its head up alongside the best Star Trek scores. They're different, but both are timeless and enduring.
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Old September 12 2013, 05:57 AM   #101
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Thank you for that. It's nice to see someone come to LIS afresh, with no nostalgia attached, and like the show for itself.

And there's no question LIS music is superb and can hold its head up alongside the best Star Trek scores. They're different, but both are timeless and enduring.
Yeah, I've never seen any of it before, I was only aware of the pop-culture cliches. And I enjoy 60's TV in general so I can appreciate it for what it is. I could understand how people would be disappointed if they directly compared it to Star Trek. But they shouldn't.
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Old September 12 2013, 04:31 PM   #102
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^Right -- it's like comparing The Sarah Jane Adventures to Torchwood. Or Monsters, Incorporated to Aliens. The target audience is different.
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Old September 12 2013, 04:52 PM   #103
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Re: STAR TREK the enemy of LOST IN SPACE?

Was the target audience different at the start? If not, it does invite a comparison -- which many have addressed -- of how the two shows diverged from both being aimed at adults originally.

IF they both were, that is. I am in the dark on all things LiS, other than the fact I didn't like it as a kid, on channel 50 in the '70s in Detroit; but I DID like Trek. And Batman reruns on channel 20.
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Actually, given that shows such as Lost In Space tended to warp (no pun intended) the network's expectation of what good science fiction was, I'd say you have the question backwards. It should instead be "Is Lost In Space the enemy of Star Trek?" And the answer is YES!
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Wow, there was a LiS episode called The Space Croppers? That was also used as the title of a Galactica 1980 episode. The writers of the latter must have been telegraphing "This series has officially become a lame, silly kids' show."
Yup. Also a Space:1999 episode titled "The Immunity Syndrome" and a dozen or so shows using "The Enemy Within." Let's not forget "Mirror, Mirror."
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