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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 9 2013, 10:49 PM   #31
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

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In the first six Trek movies, all Starfleet captains are shown as incompetent losers to better show how awesome Kirk was. Picard was the first Starfleet captain to be shown in a positive light after Kirk in a movie.
Sulu did alright in TUC,
Which was filmed after TNG started.
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Old September 10 2013, 01:00 AM   #32
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Even more awesome info. I've really got to catch up on my TOS novels.
You can read about it in the Apocrypha section of his Memory Alpha page. It looks like I had a few of the details wrong, but the basic story still stands. He was humiliated by what Kirk and Scott had done.
Thanks for the link. I will definitely check it out.
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Old September 10 2013, 01:03 AM   #33
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Even more awesome info. I've really got to catch up on my TOS novels.
You can read about it in the Apocrypha section of his Memory Alpha page. It looks like I had a few of the details wrong, but the basic story still stands. He was humiliated by what Kirk and Scott had done.
I don't need to read Memory-Alpha to know that!
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Old September 10 2013, 01:05 AM   #34
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In the first six Trek movies, all Starfleet captains are shown as incompetent losers to better show how awesome Kirk was. Picard was the first Starfleet captain to be shown in a positive light after Kirk in a movie.
Sulu did alright in TUC,
Which was filmed after TNG started.
They decide to change it up and gave us our first buffoon captain as a lead in a series with Archer in ENT.
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Old September 10 2013, 06:24 PM   #35
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Sulu did alright in TUC,
Which was filmed after TNG started.
They decide to change it up and gave us our first buffoon captain as a lead in a series with Archer in ENT.


That they did.
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Old September 11 2013, 02:12 AM   #36
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

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Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
Kirk's had his ship hijacked by everyone from a 20th Century superman to hippies to kids to his own First Officer. And he's the best Captain in the fleet.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:00 PM   #37
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

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Which was filmed after TNG started.
They decide to change it up and gave us our first buffoon captain as a lead in a series with Archer in ENT.


That they did.
You know... I'm doing a watch of Enterprise and honestly, I really don't think so. What I see is someone doing the best with what he has.
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Old September 11 2013, 04:10 PM   #38
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

I'd agree except that I'm still baffled by Archer's behavior during ANiS and the remarkably awful exchange in "Fallen Hero" where Archer seems shocked that, after dropping out of warp (or slowing down, whichever) it will now take them longer to reach their destination.

I think he was better written over time, but I could say the same about the show in general. And even then...

I wouldn't call him a buffoon, I just think he had some less than stellar moments which "impressed" me more than I recall being impressed by the other captains.
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Old September 11 2013, 07:41 PM   #39
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Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
Kirk's had his ship hijacked by everyone from a 20th Century superman to hippies to kids to his own First Officer. And he's the best Captain in the fleet.
True. The hippies were especially embarrassing.

I guess the reason I love to laugh at Styles is that the story made him very unlikable from the beginning so it was a great moment to see him get taken down a few pegs.
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Old September 12 2013, 03:22 PM   #40
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To be completely fair to Styles, he was right. Kirk never did sit in that particular Captain's Chair ever again... you know, because he went and blew up the ship.
In fact, he tried and failed to sit in that chair again after the Klingons killed David. He ended up sitting in front of the chair.
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Old September 12 2013, 03:29 PM   #41
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

^That was a cheap shot. But funny.
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Old September 12 2013, 04:04 PM   #42
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^That was a cheap shot. But funny.


It's fun seeing the two of them together in that Outer Limits episode. And with Lawrence Montaigne and Malachi Throne!
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Old September 12 2013, 04:13 PM   #43
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To be completely fair to Styles, he was right. Kirk never did sit in that particular Captain's Chair ever again... you know, because he went and blew up the ship.
In fact, he tried and failed to sit in that chair again after the Klingons killed David. He ended up sitting in front of the chair.
True, very true.
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Old September 13 2013, 07:04 AM   #44
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I really didn't read anything personal into Styles behavior. Sure he was a bit arrogant about it, but it didn't seem like he was jabbing Kirk personally more than he was very pleased with himself and his ship.

The warning about never sitting in the captain's chair again... is just that. It's not that Styles is going to personally take away Kirk's command, but that Kirk's about to commit himself to an action that will lose him his command. If I tell my friend about to commit a crime, "If you do this, you're going to go to jail." It's not that I'm going to personally drag him down to the jailhouse and lock him away, but that he's crossing an irreversible line with his own choices and actions.
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