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Old September 11 2013, 02:02 PM   #31
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Re: Why are the wormhole aliens called "Prophets"?

^Oh yeah. Basically they had whatever power the episode called for.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:02 PM   #32
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The Prophets may be gods to the Bajorans, but to me they don't meet the criteria of being gods.
At least you admit that the criteria for being a god are totally arbitrary and subjective.

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To be a god, they need to be the creator of a race, have great powers, and be immortal.
Under this criteria, Wesley Crusher might be a god. Think about it.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:11 PM   #33
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To be a god, they need to be the creator of a race, have great powers, and be immortal.
Under this criteria, Wesley Crusher might be a god. Think about it.
Wesley only created a race through an accident.

Also nothing pointed to him being immortal. He died pretty fine when he got bayoneted through the back.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:23 PM   #34
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^But that was before he became a Traveler. A number of mythic characters started out as mortals (or demigods) and then became elevated to godhood, e.g. Herakles.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:48 PM   #35
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And most of Eastern medicine has either been proven not to work or has been proven it has a physical reason why it does work. Just sayin.
Which is totally irrelevant to the point I was making, which is that different cultures have different ways of defining the spiritual and thus an alien culture -- or a human culture, for that matter -- wouldn't necessarily dismiss the divinity of a thing just because it was provably physical.
Religions and spirituality, without exception, were/are expected to perform an objective function, to influence the physical world - with everything from good luck/health, good harvests to life after death. The belief is they actually work - this is the reason they are given worship.

Many definitions of 'spirituality' are based on demonstrably untrue assumptions - the eastern medicine not working, for example.
And the rest are created/evolved specifically to make confirmation/refutation impossible.

And that's why eastern medicine not working/similar assumptions proven false DO matter in defining the spiritual.
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Wesley only created a race through an accident.
That could be the same for any god. We only know their side of the story. "I totally meant to do that! I swear!"

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Also nothing pointed to him being immortal. He died pretty fine when he got bayoneted through the back.
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^But that was before he became a Traveler. A number of mythic characters started out as mortals (or demigods) and then became elevated to godhood, e.g. Herakles.
Yep. With their power on space and time, you'll be hard pressed to find a reason for them not being immortal.
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Wesley only created a race through an accident.
That could be the same for any god. We only know their side of the story. "I totally meant to do that! I swear!"
Yeah, you'd think if a god had created humanity on purpose, they would've done a better job...
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