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Old September 10 2013, 03:58 AM   #316
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Old September 10 2013, 04:39 AM   #317
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Old September 10 2013, 04:55 AM   #318
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I always wonder why people complain that cartoons are kid-friendly. They are cartoons for crying out loud. Robocop is not a R-rated concept per se. It's about a man who got turned into a police robot (cyborg, get the fuck off my back). Kids love that.

Adults got their violent film, kids get their version.

What's with the feeling of entitlement? I'm old now, I demand adult stuff!
I guess to me it just feels like they're promoting adult stuff for kids, and that kind of bugs me.
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Old September 10 2013, 10:12 AM   #319
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I always wonder why people complain that cartoons are kid-friendly. They are cartoons for crying out loud. Robocop is not a R-rated concept per se. It's about a man who got turned into a police robot (cyborg, get the fuck off my back). Kids love that.

Adults got their violent film, kids get their version.

What's with the feeling of entitlement? I'm old now, I demand adult stuff!
I guess to me it just feels like they're promoting adult stuff for kids, and that kind of bugs me.
They are promoting the kid friendly version of adult stuff for kids.

If you see it from a kid's perspective, it doesn't matter. There's his cartoon robocop, and if his parents are smart, he won't even know about the live action film until he's old enough. And then he's surely not going to complain "Oooh, how kidified and dumbed down my favorite cartoon show was!"

Similar complaints about the Star Wars prequel trilogy annoy me as well. Fans of the original trilogy are old fucks now, and they hate the prequel trilogy for being aimed at kids with Jar Jar and more funny droids. Some even criticize the Clone Wars cartoon for similar reasons.

It also goes the other way round. People complained when in the A-Team remake they started killing bad guys. Because in the original show we never saw them kill someone. People have big problems with changes to something they liked, that's what it is.

Nobody forces you to watch the "kids version" of live action Robocop. You already got your superior super brutal 80s Verhoeven version.


I am against PG-13 ratings for films like Rambo or Expendables, because those are war films and wars are ugly, or films like Die Hard, when the actors starring in these kind of films are at their best when their dialogue is completely unrestricted, and the characters are inherently R-rated. But a Robocop film doesn't need an R-rating to be good.
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Old September 10 2013, 07:25 PM   #320
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Old September 11 2013, 05:59 AM   #321
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Old September 11 2013, 06:55 AM   #322
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I love how Murphy and Lewis look completely different to their film actors, but in the brief half-a-second he appears, Boddicker is clearly Kurtwood Smith.
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Old September 11 2013, 11:19 AM   #323
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I love how Murphy and Lewis look completely different to their film actors, but in the brief half-a-second he appears, Boddicker is clearly Kurtwood Smith.
Usually a rights thing, maybe Kurtwood Smith signed off on them being allowed to use his likeness without him getting paid. Though, to me, it's not an "exact match" just very similar.
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Old September 11 2013, 03:54 PM   #324
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I love how Murphy and Lewis look completely different to their film actors, but in the brief half-a-second he appears, Boddicker is clearly Kurtwood Smith.
Usually a rights thing, maybe Kurtwood Smith signed off on them being allowed to use his likeness without him getting paid. Though, to me, it's not an "exact match" just very similar.
Yeah, it isn't, more than likely Smith didn't sign anything for a brief second in an opening intro (unless there was a specific thing in his Robocop contract saying his likeness could be used in spin-offs), but it is funny that while their Murphy and Lewis almost look like they're deliberately avoiding the actors' appearance, the Guy Who Kills Murphy is pretty obviously based on the Guy Who Kills Murphy in the film.
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Old September 12 2013, 01:22 AM   #325
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I love how Murphy and Lewis look completely different to their film actors, but in the brief half-a-second he appears, Boddicker is clearly Kurtwood Smith.
Usually a rights thing, maybe Kurtwood Smith signed off on them being allowed to use his likeness without him getting paid. Though, to me, it's not an "exact match" just very similar.
Yeah, it isn't, more than likely Smith didn't sign anything for a brief second in an opening intro (unless there was a specific thing in his Robocop contract saying his likeness could be used in spin-offs), but it is funny that while their Murphy and Lewis almost look like they're deliberately avoiding the actors' appearance, the Guy Who Kills Murphy is pretty obviously based on the Guy Who Kills Murphy in the film.
Well, again, with Murphy and Lewis *any* likeness might mean they'd have ground to get paid for using their likeness. If Bodicker was just in the intro then they might have been able to get away with it for one, quick, shot without paying (or paying much.) But for regulars? They'd have to go extreme.

Same thing with "The Real Ghostbusters" and how far out of their way they went to make the guys look nothing like their movie counter parts (Egon becomes a hipster with red glasses and a blonde pompadour, Peter lankier and doesn't have a face like a catcher's mitt, Ray becomes heavier and a ginger, and Winston more chiseled features and a loss of a 'stache.)

You can't make cartoons of people and not pay them so you make the cartoon versions as much unlike the live-actors as possible. Maybe they went a bit extreme in Robocop but, still, better safe than sorry.
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Old September 12 2013, 01:48 AM   #326
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Nobody forces you to watch the "kids version" of live action Robocop. You already got your superior super brutal 80s Verhoeven version.


I am against PG-13 ratings for films like Rambo or Expendables, because those are war films and wars are ugly, or films like Die Hard, when the actors starring in these kind of films are at their best when their dialogue is completely unrestricted, and the characters are inherently R-rated. But a Robocop film doesn't need an R-rating to be good.
It's not the fact that they're sanitizing it I have problem with, it's simply the fact that it's something made for kids taken from something made for adults.
Like I said before, it just feels weird to me when they promote something like Robocop or Rambo for kids.
I understand what you're saying about giving kids their version, but it still feels wrong to me.
And I'm not even saying the original version is automatically superior because it's more "adult". Honestly, I tend to prefer it when things are less violent. If I had a choice between something with ton of violence like the original Robocop, or something tamer, like a (good) Disney movie, chances are I'd pick the Disney movie more often then not.

That's not to say that I can't enjoy adult stuff, hell Game of Thrones is one of my favorite shows, but the rest of the material has to be good enough for me to be willing to put up with the violence.
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Old September 12 2013, 10:34 AM   #327
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That was partly my point. Rambo makes absolutely no sense as a kids cartoon, because it's a Vietnam war/trauma film, it's adult content throughout. But Robocop is not a violent or adult concept per se, it's just about a cop turned into a cyborg, so there's no problem with making a cartoon out of it.

A film is not "made for adults" just because the screen oozes with blood and sperm. Cut those scenes out, where is the "adult" content?
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Old September 12 2013, 04:54 PM   #328
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Well it wasn't just the violence that was missing, it was the pain and anguish Murphy felt over the loss of his family and his old life, and the overall tragic quality of the character.

The friendly, happy go lucky Robo we saw in the cartoons and TV series never felt remotely like the same guy, which to me was the biggest problem.
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Old September 12 2013, 06:36 PM   #329
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I think Murphy still had tragedy to him in the TV series.
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Old September 12 2013, 07:31 PM   #330
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Maybe, but in a very watered-down way.
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