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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old September 8 2013, 04:47 AM   #16
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

And perhaps Chang was just not honorable enough to challenge Gorkon.
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Old September 9 2013, 11:17 AM   #17
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

The game Klingon Academy explained this, Chang owes Gorkon a blood debt so he couldn't outright challenge him, leading to his evil sneaky plan.

Call it canon or not, it had the actors
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Old September 9 2013, 05:49 PM   #18
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

Kronos wrote: View Post
The game Klingon Academy explained this, Chang owes Gorkon a blood debt so he couldn't outright challenge him, leading to his evil sneaky plan.

Call it canon or not, it had the actors
I've heard a lot about that game and saw a few clips on youtube of the actors parts. Is it a good game?
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Old September 9 2013, 07:24 PM   #19
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

It's a great game.
With a wonderful story and it still looks good after so many years.
Too bad I can't play it on Windows 7
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Old September 10 2013, 10:27 AM   #20
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

jpv2000 wrote: View Post
I've heard a lot about that game and saw a few clips on youtube of the actors parts. Is it a good game?
It's a great game, if you can get it working
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Old September 10 2013, 10:46 AM   #21
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

Chang didn't challenger him because he didn't want to be Chancelor. He preferred to stay in the shadows while manipulating Gorkon's daughter.
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Old September 10 2013, 04:01 PM   #22
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
He preferred to stay in the shadows while manipulating Gorkon's daughter.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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Old September 10 2013, 05:26 PM   #23
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
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He preferred to stay in the shadows while manipulating Gorkon's daughter.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
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Old September 10 2013, 08:33 PM   #24
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

jpv2000 wrote: View Post
Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
He preferred to stay in the shadows while manipulating Gorkon's daughter.
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
That phrasing makes me uncomfortable. Do the Klingons have a version of the FBI we can call?
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Old September 11 2013, 06:43 AM   #25
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

Probably, but they break down your door without knocking first, and then they sic the Klingon mastitis on you.
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Old September 13 2013, 06:58 AM   #26
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

Basically the Klingons hadn't become one dimensional society just yet. Sure they were a warrior like group of people, and weren't afraid to mix it up, but every aspect of their culture didn't revolve around being a warrior like the 90's era made them out to be.
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Old September 13 2013, 03:02 PM   #27
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The 60s series made them seem untrustworthy...
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Old September 15 2013, 09:08 AM   #28
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If Chang had challenged Gorkon and eventually killed him, the end result might very well have been a civil war. That would have weakened the Empire even further. And when you consider that the Romulans seemed to be in a pretty friendly relationship with the Federation, appearing weak in front of your enemies is not something you want.

Better tactic was to make Federation responsible. An external threat has a funny way to unite a nation against a foreign foe.
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Old September 15 2013, 03:32 PM   #29
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Re: Why didn't Chang challenge Gorkon?

I got the impression that Gorkon was a rather populair Chancellor, and under his rule things started to change already. If Chang had won in a duel, a lot of people who supported Gorkon's ideas of improved relations between the UPF and the Empire would not support Chang and his visions for the Empire. He realized this all to well.

What he needed to do, was re-affirm the Federation as an enemy of the Empire. Framing one of the Federation's greatest hero's, James Kirk, for the murder of Gorkon (who was appereantly quite open for better relations between the Empire and the Federation) would make sure the Empire would rally against the UFP.
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Old September 15 2013, 03:36 PM   #30
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^Yeah, ST V seemed to show a bit of a warming between the UFP and the Klingons after the chill of the Genesis incident. So maybe TUC was building on that assumption. Although it seemed to ignore any such warming on Kirk's part, making him uncharacteristically bigoted toward the Klingons.
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