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Old September 9 2013, 11:46 AM   #76
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Whether is attained Captian's rank or not, he did do something noteworthy- the USS Chekov (NCC-57302) was a Springfield-class starship shown on screen in the graveyard in 'The Best of Both Worlds'...
True. I had forgotten about that.
Are there any pictures of a model with that name? All I saw were blurry, burning hulks.
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Old September 9 2013, 04:39 PM   #77
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

None clear enough to see the name, that I'm aware of.
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Old September 9 2013, 04:53 PM   #78
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

Not everyone makes captain in a navy. Fact of military service. Another thing to consider: Starfleet may have downsized after Khitomer as was proposed in TUC during the mission brief. If that's the case, there would be fewer billets and may have kept several officers in the same rank or position for years. Something similar is currently happening in the U.S. Navy. They're even having to shorten the rotation time for ship command positions so that it gives more people a shot at being CO.
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Old September 9 2013, 05:33 PM   #79
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Not everyone makes captain in a navy. Fact of military service. Another thing to consider: Starfleet may have downsized after Khitomer as was proposed in TUC during the mission brief. If that's the case, there would be fewer billets and may have kept several officers in the same rank or position for years.
I would hope not. Even with the Klingons off the enemy list Starfleet should know there will be other non-friendly forces out there.

Something similar is currently happening in the U.S. Navy. They're even having to shorten the rotation time for ship command positions so that it gives more people a shot at being CO.
Sad but true. We should know better by now as well.
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Old September 10 2013, 07:58 AM   #80
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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The real question is why Uhura never made captain.
Saying things like "the channel is open, Captain" doesn't exactly distinguish one from her fellow officers and earn a command. And who's to say she aspired to such a thing? Recall that she transferred out of command early in the five-year mission so she could focus on her communications duties full time.

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Uhura was limited by the writing in that she had very few opportunities to shine but I always felt she had more of a command presence than Chekov. Admittedly he was quite green in TOS but even in STII, I thought his command skills were pretty weak. Uhura in STIII on the other hand? Yes Ma'am!
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Old September 10 2013, 01:55 PM   #81
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Uhura was limited by the writing in that she had very few opportunities to shine but I always felt she had more of a command presence than Chekov. Admittedly he was quite green in TOS but even in STII, I thought his command skills were pretty weak. Uhura in STIII on the other hand? Yes Ma'am!
Have to agree about how Uhura was written, given the time in which she was created. I would also feel more comfortable following her orders than Chekov's, can't really say why though.
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Old September 10 2013, 04:31 PM   #82
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Not everyone makes captain in a navy. Fact of military service. Another thing to consider: Starfleet may have downsized after Khitomer as was proposed in TUC during the mission brief. If that's the case, there would be fewer billets and may have kept several officers in the same rank or position for years. Something similar is currently happening in the U.S. Navy. They're even having to shorten the rotation time for ship command positions so that it gives more people a shot at being CO.
The reality of promotion -- in many jobs, not just necessarily in the armed forces -- is that sometimes a rapid career progression reaches a bottleneck where things can't move forward any further until a later date. So while somebody might make rapid progress up the long ladder, they'll reach a point where no matter what happens thing will stagnate for a bit.

I imagine something similar happens to a lot of Star Trek characters. We see them reach Commander rank, some of them even make Captain, but their roles in the hierarchy are essentially unchanged. Somebody like Chekov might have got to XO on the Reliant but simply had his career stall for a few years afterwards (likely he was eventually promoted sometime after the events in Generations).
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Old September 10 2013, 04:57 PM   #83
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

I still enjoy the notion that Sulu was able to make him his XO on Excelsior for a while, after TUC, as portrayed in "The Sundered."
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Old September 10 2013, 05:20 PM   #84
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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I still enjoy the notion that Sulu was able to make him his XO on Excelsior for a while, after TUC, as portrayed in "The Sundered."
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Old September 12 2013, 04:19 AM   #85
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

He also served as Excelsior XO for a brief period in 2290, not long after Sulu took command, before returning to the Enterprise-A (as chronicled in the novel The Captain's Table: War Dragons).
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Old September 12 2013, 04:34 AM   #86
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Uhura was limited by the writing in that she had very few opportunities to shine but I always felt she had more of a command presence than Chekov. Admittedly he was quite green in TOS but even in STII, I thought his command skills were pretty weak. Uhura in STIII on the other hand? Yes Ma'am!
Have to agree about how Uhura was written, given the time in which she was created. I would also feel more comfortable following her orders than Chekov's, can't really say why though.
Face it, a tribble has more command presence than Chekov.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:16 AM   #87
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LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Funniest thing I've read all day--thanks!
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Old October 11 2013, 08:14 AM   #88
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For any Elder Scrolls fans out there:

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Old October 11 2013, 08:47 AM   #89
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Re: Why didn't Chekov ever make Captain?

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Not everyone makes captain in a navy. Fact of military service. Another thing to consider: Starfleet may have downsized after Khitomer as was proposed in TUC during the mission brief. If that's the case, there would be fewer billets and may have kept several officers in the same rank or position for years.
I would hope not. Even with the Klingons off the enemy list Starfleet should know there will be other non-friendly forces out there.

Something similar is currently happening in the U.S. Navy. They're even having to shorten the rotation time for ship command positions so that it gives more people a shot at being CO.
Sad but true. We should know better by now as well.
From the available evidence, Starfleet underwent some major changes between TUC and TNG. The sheer number of ships seem to have increased, quite possibly in tandem with the growth of Federation members. Consider--the vast majority of Starfleet we saw were Humans, Tellarites, Andorians, Vulcans and Caitians. Within another seven decades we were seeing lots more we'd never heard of before--Trill, Zakdorns, Bolians, Bynar, etc. I would suggest this means a greatly increased industrial base, especially since the Khitomer Accords almost certainly resulted in greater trade with the Klingon Empire and its sphere of influence. So--far greater industrial base coupled with many more potential members of Starfleet. Yet at the same time, no major wars as far as we can tell. We get references to two conflicts--with the Tholians and with the Cardassians--neither seemingly that intense. More on the order of rather brief Vietnams or perhaps the Gulf War rather than World War Two (which in this scenario would equate to the Dominion War).

So up until the Dominion War, seems likely promotion was fairly slow. And Chekhov was quite junior, with a couple of great big black marks on his record (like stealing the Enterprise).

Yet if Star Trek: Renegades ever reaches the stage where we consider it canon, Chekhov did indeed become a Captain. And is currently an Admiral!

The USS Chekhov btw I suspect is named for the playwright.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:28 AM   #90
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Let's face it... when you're XO of a ship and manage to let it get hijacked by a wrathful madman who you just happened to forget about who steals a weapon of mass destruction which creates a cold war style conflict between the Federation and Klingon Empire, your file isn't at the top of the promotion list.
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