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Old September 8 2013, 04:14 PM   #16
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

Agreed with most of the posters here. Styles' warning may have reflected some personal animosity/arrogance, but to my mind it's on par with:

"If you go out in that rain, you'll get wet!"
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Old September 8 2013, 05:29 PM   #17
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Ya know?...I wonder what ever happened to the Black Female Captain (was she named?) of the Saratoga at the Beginning of STIV. I don't really see how she could have reacted differently to what happened to her ship.
In the novels, she's promoted to Fleet Admiral by the time of GEN and speaks at Kirk's memorial service. Though we never saw her on screen before TVH, she served on the Enterprise with Kirk and credited him with encouraging her to explore her potential as a leader.
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Old September 8 2013, 05:47 PM   #18
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

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In the first six Trek movies, all Starfleet captains are shown as incompetent losers to better show how awesome Kirk was. Picard was the first Starfleet captain to be shown in a positive light after Kirk in a movie.
You could make the argument that those were all plot devices too.
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Old September 8 2013, 06:10 PM   #19
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

It's the verbal equivalent of a shot across the bow. Listening to Styles' tone when he makes he statement / warning, he's sincere, just short of pleading with Kirk not to proceed. The man may have been smug and fit to serve only in "the hind end of space" but at that moment, he was being genuine.
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Old September 8 2013, 07:25 PM   #20
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Ya know?...I wonder what ever happened to the Black Female Captain (was she named?) of the Saratoga at the Beginning of STIV. I don't really see how she could have reacted differently to what happened to her ship.
In the novels, she's promoted to Fleet Admiral by the time of GEN and speaks at Kirk's memorial service. Though we never saw her on screen before TVH, she served on the Enterprise with Kirk and credited him with encouraging her to explore her potential as a leader.
Very cool. Was this in the novel for Generations or another novel?
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Old September 8 2013, 07:28 PM   #21
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Very cool. Was this in the novel for Generations or another novel?
It's actually in the Crucible series, mainly Spock's novel during the scenes that touch on Kirk's death and the subsequent memorial service. The character's name is Madge Sinclair.

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Old September 8 2013, 07:31 PM   #22
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

Really? Because that's the actor's name.

Memory Alpha may be useful here: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_...ratoga_Captain
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Old September 8 2013, 08:41 PM   #23
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^Yes. They used her actual name as her character's name. Admiral Sinclair eventually married another woman and changed her name to Sinclair-Alexander, which is what I think she went by around the time of Generations. According to the Crucible books, Kirk was planning to get together with her for dinner after the Enterprise-B launch was over because her partner was a gourmet chef.

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Old September 9 2013, 02:49 PM   #24
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To be completely fair to Styles, he was right. Kirk never did sit in that particular Captain's Chair ever again... you know, because he went and blew up the ship.
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Old September 9 2013, 03:16 PM   #25
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Re: "Kirk, You Do This, You'll Never Sit in the Captain's Chair Again.

Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
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Old September 9 2013, 03:30 PM   #26
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Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
In the novels, he was made captain of the Exeter after the Excelsior was taken out of service and refitted with a more conventional warp drive. Ironically, Sulu had served as the Exeter first officer prior to TWOK. Styles' being outsmarted by Kirk and Scott made him a laughingstock throughout the fleet, as other command and flag officers started calling him "Drydock Styles" and "Styles Without Substance" behind his back.

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Old September 9 2013, 05:40 PM   #27
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^Yes. They used her actual name as her character's name. Admiral Sinclair eventually married another woman and changed her name to Sinclair-Alexander, which is what I think she went by around the time of Generations. According to the Crucible books, Kirk was planning to get together with her for dinner after the Enterprise-B launch was over because her partner was a gourmet chef.
Thanks. Awesome info.
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Old September 9 2013, 05:42 PM   #28
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Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
In the novels, he was made captain of the Exeter after the Excelsior was taken out of service and refitted with a more conventional warp drive. Ironically, Sulu had served as the Exeter first officer prior to TWOK. Styles' being outsmarted by Kirk and Scott made him a laughingstock throughout the fleet, as other command and flag officers started calling him "Drydock Styles" and "Styles Without Substance" behind his back.


Even more awesome info. I've really got to catch up on my TOS novels.
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Old September 9 2013, 05:56 PM   #29
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Did Captain Styles ever sit in the Captain's chair again?

I know Sulu didn't get the Excelsior until after STV. Still it can't be good on your record to have your ship disabled under your nose.
In the novels, he was made captain of the Exeter after the Excelsior was taken out of service and refitted with a more conventional warp drive. Ironically, Sulu had served as the Exeter first officer prior to TWOK. Styles' being outsmarted by Kirk and Scott made him a laughingstock throughout the fleet, as other command and flag officers started calling him "Drydock Styles" and "Styles Without Substance" behind his back.


Even more awesome info. I've really got to catch up on my TOS novels.
I think it's time for me to start back at the beginning of the novelverse and work my way forward again because I remember none of this.

That said, I think that's a little unfair for Styles. Yeah, he was priggish and a little too sure of his prototype's capabilities, but really, what reason would he have to suspect his chief engineer -- a captain of engineering with a long and loyal career -- of malfeasance? What Starfleet CO would behave differently?

Of course, when the base went to Yellow Alert following the Enterprise's powerup, that might have when he started to wonder about Captain Scott. But at that point, the situation was rapidly evolving and there wasn't much time to do more than sigh at the computer's cheerful "Good Morning, Captain."
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Old September 9 2013, 06:38 PM   #30
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Even more awesome info. I've really got to catch up on my TOS novels.
You can read about it in the Apocrypha section of his Memory Alpha page. It looks like I had a few of the details wrong, but the basic story still stands. He was humiliated by what Kirk and Scott had done.

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