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Old September 4 2013, 04:43 PM   #331
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Re: Breaking Bad Final Half Season

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It was good to see Gomie brought in on things, but I still worry Hank's investigation is a little to extra-legal for its own good.
Agreed. I was bothered by the fact they decided to do a wiretap that they should've known that can't even use in court because they don't have a warrant for it.
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Old September 4 2013, 05:56 PM   #332
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You see, burning his house down WAS Jesse's attempt to involve Walt's family. Involving Walt's family is not his next play, because he refers to it as where he "Really Lives". Besides, Hank would never go along with anything that involved Walt's family, if he's to be involved in the next play

The most important thing to Walt is to control everything. I think Jesse will take that away from him, which is really going to set this things off
and I just figured out Jesse's play. He'll do the one thing no one expects him to do. He'll go back in the meth business. Todd, his uncle, & Lydia will jump at the opportunity to have him back in lieu of Heisenberg himself, and so will Hank & the DEA. Take down Heisenberg's whole network. Send them all to prison, including Saul's gang. That's how you get to the top of the food chain

It might even give us one last glorious shot at a dazzling meth cook sequence. This will hit Walt where he truly lives, and kick start the final blowout
No chance in hell.. Hank would never go for it.

As crude and off the record as Hank can be at times he would never willingly participate in illegal activities. He knows he might have a chance to save his career by playing the right move.. being accessory to a drug business isn't one of them.

Also building up a competing drug business would just take to much time and we only have four episodes left so i just don't see the writers cooking up this storyline in 2 episodes. It will be something very devious and/or violent.
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Old September 4 2013, 06:36 PM   #333
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It was good to see Gomie brought in on things, but I still worry Hank's investigation is a little to extra-legal for its own good.
Agreed. I was bothered by the fact they decided to do a wiretap that they should've known that can't even use in court because they don't have a warrant for it.

What? We need warrants? Silly Europeans still think we need warrants in the USA in 2013. Warrants are so last century.
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Old September 4 2013, 08:50 PM   #334
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Jesse doesn't need to build up a full-on competing meth business. He just needs to let Lydia think he's on board enough to talk about it on tape.

I know you need a warrant to bug someone's home, but do you need one to record someone talking in a public place?
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Old September 4 2013, 09:05 PM   #335
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You see, burning his house down WAS Jesse's attempt to involve Walt's family. Involving Walt's family is not his next play, because he refers to it as where he "Really Lives". Besides, Hank would never go along with anything that involved Walt's family, if he's to be involved in the next play

The most important thing to Walt is to control everything. I think Jesse will take that away from him, which is really going to set this things off
and I just figured out Jesse's play. He'll do the one thing no one expects him to do. He'll go back in the meth business. Todd, his uncle, & Lydia will jump at the opportunity to have him back in lieu of Heisenberg himself, and so will Hank & the DEA. Take down Heisenberg's whole network. Send them all to prison, including Saul's gang. That's how you get to the top of the food chain

It might even give us one last glorious shot at a dazzling meth cook sequence. This will hit Walt where he truly lives, and kick start the final blowout
No chance in hell.. Hank would never go for it.

As crude and off the record as Hank can be at times he would never willingly participate in illegal activities. He knows he might have a chance to save his career by playing the right move.. being accessory to a drug business isn't one of them.

Also building up a competing drug business would just take to much time and we only have four episodes left so i just don't see the writers cooking up this storyline in 2 episodes. It will be something very devious and/or violent.
You got me all wrong. He will go back to the Heisenberg people, Todd, his uncle, & Lydia. They've been struggling & probably will continue to do so without Walt, who's too hot now to go back anyway. They'll jump at the chance to have the guy Fring sent as a meth cook educator to the Mexican cartel. Jesse is the next best thing to having Walt come back. He's #2 on the Heisenberg Tree

Hank & Gomez will agree because it's a sting. Everybody will go to prison. It might not save Hank's career at this point, but it will put an end to the Heisenberg Syndicate if Jesse is a mole. Once the cops got all those people, maybe even Saul & his crew, Walt will be doomed & have nobody to turn to. One of them will roll over on him. I'm betting Lydia

You take down the network, then you get Bin Laden. Jesse will destroy Walt from the bottom up, & that's why he's destitute, haggard & desperate in the flash forward. He's been on the run. He's the last link. He's Saddam Hussein, & they're closing in

My guess is that the machine gun in Walt's car is for a potential shootout with the cops & the ricin is in case it looks like he'll be taken alive... as in... for himself
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Old September 4 2013, 10:48 PM   #336
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Hank perceiving Walt's twisted love for his surrogate son through Jesse's hysterical confession comes from the script rather any plausible analysis or deductive process. The strongest piece of evidence, Walt's vehicular homicide, is trumped by the way Jesse was an absolutely essential ally against Fring.
The writes have gone out of their way to show us that Walt cares about Jesse -- in a twisted way, but "cares" for him nonetheless. So it isn't just something Hank has mistakenly perceived. It is real, at least according to what we have seen presented on screen.
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and I just figured out Jesse's play. He'll do the one thing no one expects him to do. He'll go back in the meth business. Todd, his uncle, & Lydia will jump at the opportunity to have him back in lieu of Heisenberg himself, and so will Hank & the DEA. Take down Heisenberg's whole network. Send them all to prison, including Saul's gang. That's how you get to the top of the food chain
But how is Jesse's going back into the meth business, alone, going to result in any tangible evidence against Walt, who is essentially out of the meth business? Also, how would it "take down Hisenberg's whole network" and "send them all to prison"?
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Old September 4 2013, 11:20 PM   #337
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It's pretty obvious to anyone given the facts that Walt cares about Jesse. Walt did not need Jesse as an ally against Fring because before he hit those drug dealers with the car, Fring was not his enemy.

Jesse's not interested in bringing down the whole drug network. All he needs to do is get Lydia, then use the fact that she's a coward to make her testify.
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Old September 5 2013, 12:56 AM   #338
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Oh, cool. Just heard on the podcast that they actually did record Jesse's full confession to Hank, and it's going to be an extra on the blu-ray later on. Guess they must have decided at the last minute not to show it in the episode (or maybe they still intend to show portions later on for the DEA or something).
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Old September 5 2013, 01:30 AM   #339
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and I just figured out Jesse's play. He'll do the one thing no one expects him to do. He'll go back in the meth business. Todd, his uncle, & Lydia will jump at the opportunity to have him back in lieu of Heisenberg himself, and so will Hank & the DEA. Take down Heisenberg's whole network. Send them all to prison, including Saul's gang. That's how you get to the top of the food chain
But how is Jesse's going back into the meth business, alone, going to result in any tangible evidence against Walt, who is essentially out of the meth business? Also, how would it "take down Hisenberg's whole network" and "send them all to prison"?
Multiple testimonies to the fact that Walt is the ring leader. I would think there has to be some kind of tangible link with Lydia who is the source of all that money.

Walt may not be making meth at the moment, but he's still very much involved with the players, especially now that he's back in touch with Todd

I haven't sorted out all the details myself even. It's really just a theory, but my instincts tell me this is Jesse's move. Get back in long enough to implicate everyone in the Heisenberg syndicate, including Walt somehow. I could be totally off though
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Old September 5 2013, 03:01 AM   #340
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The writes have gone out of their way to show us that Walt cares about Jesse -- in a twisted way, but "cares" for him nonetheless. So it isn't just something Hank has mistakenly perceived. It is real, at least according to what we have seen presented on screen.
Yes, we know that. Hank's not going to know that, he hasn't been watching the series with us. It's not the worst implausibility they've lapsed into, but it is one.

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It's pretty obvious to anyone given the facts that Walt cares about Jesse. Walt did not need Jesse as an ally against Fring because before he hit those drug dealers with the car, Fring was not his enemy.
Fring knew Walt was a maniac. Heisenberg as a cog wasn't going to happen. Also, Walt's feelings are real, but mixed. He's never kept Jesse around just because.
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Old September 5 2013, 03:32 PM   #341
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Re: Breaking Bad Final Half Season

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It was good to see Gomie brought in on things, but I still worry Hank's investigation is a little to extra-legal for its own good.
Agreed. I was bothered by the fact they decided to do a wiretap that they should've known that can't even use in court because they don't have a warrant for it.
What? We need warrants? Silly Europeans still think we need warrants in the USA in 2013. Warrants are so last century.
European? What? Ohhhhh...hahaha. No, I'm actually American but living in Europe right now.
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Old September 5 2013, 09:38 PM   #342
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The writes have gone out of their way to show us that Walt cares about Jesse -- in a twisted way, but "cares" for him nonetheless. So it isn't just something Hank has mistakenly perceived. It is real, at least according to what we have seen presented on screen.
Yes, we know that. Hank's not going to know that, he hasn't been watching the series with us. It's not the worst implausibility they've lapsed into, but it is one.
But Hank does know that. He stated that Walt cares for Jesse in the last episode. Hank has simply picked up on one of the show's truths, as depicted for us, the audience, and for Hank, the character.

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It's pretty obvious to anyone given the facts that Walt cares about Jesse. Walt did not need Jesse as an ally against Fring because before he hit those drug dealers with the car, Fring was not his enemy.
Fring knew Walt was a maniac. Heisenberg as a cog wasn't going to happen. Also, Walt's feelings are real, but mixed. He's never kept Jesse around just because.
He may not have kept Jesse around "just" because he liked him, but it has been shown quite plainly that Walt does care about what happens to Jesse. Now, if it comes down to Walt or Jesse, Jesse or his family, Walt will not choose Jesse. But if it comes to that, and he has to take Jesse out, I'd be willing to bet we'll see Walt react in a way that is consistent with Walt doing something he really didn't want to do.
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Old September 9 2013, 03:03 AM   #343
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Damn! What a place to end the episode. Is this it for Hank?

By the way, I thought of the dirt matching too.
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Old September 9 2013, 03:14 AM   #344
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Aw, jeez.... These cliffhangers are killing me! Looks like we might have at least a partial answer for why Walt was packing the heavy arsenal in the flash forward scenes.
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Old September 9 2013, 03:43 AM   #345
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If possession of huge amounts of cash with neither W2s nor canceled checks to the IRS is enough to cook your goose, Jesse wouldn't have been there. Getting it wrong in Jesse's case was bad enough, but trying to have it both ways is pushing the envelope in the wrong way.

I could have sworn that Walt was going to realize that the dropped call meant that Jesse wasn't where he claimed to be.

Walt having the gall to call someone else a coward is pure Walt. Also, calling out Jess is not going to end well.

Contriving it so that Walt was trying to save Hank? Are they trying to tell us Walt's true inner Mr. Chips is coming out, now that he's no longer afraid? I'm having trouble believing in Mr. Brave.

I've finally put my finger on why Jesse's confession seemed so flat, so one note. It's the comparison with his "confession" in group, albeit disguised as a story about a dog.
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