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Old September 7 2013, 03:22 PM   #31
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Re: Actors cast more than once as different characters--good or bad?

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They also wanted Lenard to play Lincoln in "The Savage Curtain". He was willing to do it, but he was doing another series at the time and the scheduling didn't work out.
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^That I would like to have seen.

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And Lawrence Montaigne played Decius and Stonn.
That, I never noticed.
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Old September 7 2013, 04:13 PM   #32
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Re: Actors cast more than once as different characters--good or bad?

Course, it would have been kind of odd having Lenard in an episode playing opposite somebody else as Surak....We'd all be looking at Lincoln and thinking, "he could do such a better job at that...!"
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Old September 7 2013, 04:44 PM   #33
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They also wanted Lenard to play Lincoln in "The Savage Curtain". He was willing to do it, but he was doing another series at the time and the scheduling didn't work out.
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Old September 7 2013, 11:11 PM   #34
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I think this is the only time in TOS that one of the regulars played another character, even though we only see Sam for about a second or two onscreen. (Not counting James Doohan's voice work, of course, or Majel playing Number One and Chapel, I never considered her to be a regular member of the cast)
Well, technically, Shatner also played an Exo III android, Sargon, Garth of Izar, and Janice Lester (and Martia), Nimoy also played Henoch and Garth (and arguably the Horta), and Kelley played the Salt Vampire. Not to mention the entire main cast playing their Mirror Universe doubles at least briefly. But aside from that, no, I guess Sam Kirk is the only time that one of the regulars played a character who wasn't meant to be either occupying or duplicating their primary character. (Although putting on a moustache and lying on the floor doesn't really count as playing a character.)
I remember trying to convince a friend of mine, back in the pre-internet 80s, that it was indeed Shatner doubling as Sam Kirk, since it was such a brief shot, and we didn't have the episode on tape so we couldn't pause and analyze the scene.

Oh, and Mark Lenard was awesome, and it was great that he was able to reprise Sarek in the movies and on TNG.
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Old September 8 2013, 02:46 PM   #35
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Oh, and Mark Lenard was awesome, and it was great that he was able to reprise Sarek in the movies and on TNG.
Yes he was. He played a Romulan, Vulcan and a Klingon (TMP) in Trek.
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Old September 8 2013, 02:55 PM   #36
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Oh, and Mark Lenard was awesome, and it was great that he was able to reprise Sarek in the movies and on TNG.
Yes he was. He played a Romulan, Vulcan and a Klingon (TMP) in Trek.
And a gorilla on Planet of the Apes!
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Old September 8 2013, 05:57 PM   #37
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Columbo had the same actors play several different murderers. (And Nimoy play the best one)

It's not a problem, so long as the script and the makeup differentiate them and the actor is good enough to differentiate the performances.
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Old September 8 2013, 08:07 PM   #38
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I really never thought of it possibly being "bad." It's just how TV was. Morgan Woodward played different characters on at least a dozen Gunsmokes, and a bunch of Wagon Trains and Bonanzas, too.

BTW I have to mention one of my favorite TOS repeat guest stars since she hasn't come up: the lovely Barbara Babcock. Four episodes, if you count voice work.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:00 PM   #39
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I really never thought of it possibly being "bad." It's just how TV was. Morgan Woodward played different characters on at least a dozen Gunsmokes, and a bunch of Wagon Trains and Bonanzas, too.

BTW I have to mention one of my favorite TOS repeat guest stars since she hasn't come up: the lovely Barbara Babcock. Four episodes, if you count voice work.
Indeed. I can't say it bothered me at the time. As discussed, people may be more sensitive to it these days now that home video allows people to rewatch old episodes more easily.

And it wasn't just a TV thing. Watch a lot of old movies from a given studio during a given era and you'll plenty of familiar faces popping up. And lots of directors have their unofficial "repertory companies." Look at Hitchcock or John Ford . . . or even Woody Allen.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:13 PM   #40
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30 Rock did it with various SNL alums. They don't do it as much in drama now but they do it all the time in comedy.

It is true it was easier to get away with it back when TV was expected to be strictly episodic with no relation between episodes. And if an actor doesn't have very much range it weakens the drama to have basically the same character as multiple different characters with a major recurring role in your show. But if you've got a guy like Jeffrey Combs who is more than capable of seeming like several completely different people, it's not a problem at all.
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Old September 8 2013, 10:32 PM   #41
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And if an actor doesn't have very much range it weakens the drama to have basically the same character as multiple different characters with a major recurring role in your show.
But we're not talking about recurring roles here, are we? We're talking about a practice in TOS and other series from that era, in which recurring guest characters were uncommon. Actors who played multiple roles generally played them one time each. And since episodic TV was pretty formulaic back then, often a lot of those one-shot characters would be pretty much the same -- the love interest, the villain, the cop, the opposing lawyer, that sort of thing. So if you got a script that had another character of a certain type, you might naturally gravitate toward a certain actor that you knew was suited to that type and that you'd used before.

Aside from Combs playing Brunt and Weyoun, I can't really think of an instance in live action where one actor has played more than one recurring character on an overlapping basis on a single series. Well, except on Hercules/Xena -- Karl Urban played both Caesar and Cupid, Kevin Smith played both Ares and Iphicles, Lucy Lawless returned as Lyla after having played Xena, probably a few others. But those shows were kind of weird.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:11 PM   #42
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There were a number of actors—most notably Mark Leonard, but also Lawrence Montaigne, Diana Muldaur, Morgan Woodward—who played different important guest characters on more than one episode. Do you think that was wise of Joe D’Agosta and the production team to do this, or did it tend to lessen the impact from their original performances?
Actors play different roles; it's what they do. To have an actor playing different roles in different episodes of a particular series was not uncommon then and it's not especially uncommon now. I think it's probably re-watching those episodes dozens and dozens of times which makes it stand out at all that the same actor has been used again in a second or third story.

"And one man in his time plays many parts"

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I think of William Windom, for example. His performance as Matt Decker is one of the most memorable and striking of the series. Or take Joan Collins; same notation. Question: If they had been cast again as different characters after their initial go-round, would it change the way their first performance was perceived/received… especially if they didn’t perform as well the second time around?
I don't think it would have mattered.

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Lenard. Mark's name is Lenard, not Leonard
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Old September 9 2013, 02:28 AM   #43
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Well, technically, Shatner also played an Exo III android, Sargon, Garth of Izar, and Janice Lester (and Martia) . . .
Who is Martia?
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Old September 9 2013, 02:31 AM   #44
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^Shapeshifter from The Undiscovered Country. Parenthetical since she's from the movies rather than TOS.

Come to think of it, Shatner and Kelley also briefly played the Vendorian in TAS: "The Survivor." And Nimoy played a giant Spock clone in "The Infinite Vulcan."
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Who is Martia?
Shapeshifter from The Undiscovered Country. Parenthetical since she's from the movies rather than TOS.
Oh . . . That Martia!

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