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View Poll Results: Do fans want the prime timeline back?
I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back. 196 56.32%
I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back. 57 16.38%
I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back. 38 10.92%
I don't care, just give me Trek! 51 14.66%
I don't know. 6 1.72%
Voters: 348. You may not vote on this poll

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Old September 7 2013, 12:34 PM   #31
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Greg Cox wrote: View Post
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Edit: Wait, you said "bad Primeverse". Are you trolling or something?
Read the whole sentence: He asked if bad Primeverse is preferable to good NuTrek.

It's like asking if you prefer even bad TOS ("Spocks' Brain") to good TNG ("The Measure of a Man.") Doesn't mean you're saying all TOS is bad.

There's good pizza and bad pizza. Comparing bad pizza to good sushi is not an attack on pizza in general!
Thanks Greg. Glad at least one person knows what I was saying!

I'm looking back at this. bbjeg - to be clear I was responding to the OP, not to your specific post, if that's where the confusion lies.
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Old September 7 2013, 08:50 PM   #32
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Still,
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It seems to me that this question almost boils down to "Would you rather see a bad Primeverse series than a good NewVerse one?"
this thread doesn't boil down to that. It's what a fan want, reguardless of why.
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Old September 8 2013, 12:31 AM   #33
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Yes, but if you're saying "I want to go back to the Primeverse, period," then essentially you -are- saying you'd rather see bad Primeverse than good Newverse, because you're excluding the Newverse entirely.

I don't see how this isn't clear at this point.
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Old September 8 2013, 12:47 AM   #34
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Perhaps another way to rephrase it would be:

Do you want to go to back to the prime timeline just for old time's sake? Or is there any practical advantage to doing so?
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Old September 8 2013, 12:55 AM   #35
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

I totally read that as a Newverse series being guaranteed good and a Prime guaranteed bad.

The way something is phrased, often tells you absolutely everything about where sympathies lie...

The outcome more or less rigged in favour of what the questioner thinks is good.

Ask it the other way around, if there's any doubt.

"Would you rather see a bad Newverse series rather than a good Prime one?"

Obviously you want something good. So basically, where it's set should be immaterial then. Unless you've already committed one way or the other to what you see as preferable.
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Old September 8 2013, 01:21 AM   #36
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Except the people who are saying "I want all Primeverse, no Newverse" are implicitly saying that nothing that would appeal to them can come of the Newverse. Otherwise, why eliminate it entirely?

And yes, the argument does work the same way in reverse, but the poll isn't asking about eliminating the Primeverse, it's asking about eliminating the Newverse.
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Old September 8 2013, 01:30 AM   #37
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Is it a poll calling for the Newverse to be eliminated though? And not simply whether fans want the Prime back or not?

I voted yes. Film and TV would involve a different cast and a different setting anyhow. Therefore should be able to go in different directions too. Audiences go to see that particular group of characters, played by movie stars, in an action-packed spectacle on the big-screen every two or three years. Between 13 and 26 weeks a season, in something else slow burning and serialised, they get to know a whole other set of characters. Assume a limited lifespan on them unless the unlikely happens and the TV cast become the next big thing, and so their stories have basically been and gone in the time it takes Pine, Quinto, Saldana et all to reconvene. Might as well make it another universe for all the relevance it can have on the other.

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Old September 8 2013, 01:33 AM   #38
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

That's the way I took it. Otherwise, the Primeverse already continues to exist in multiple formats.

Perhaps the poll was worded unclearly then.
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Old September 8 2013, 01:40 AM   #39
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Yes and No.
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Old September 8 2013, 11:19 AM   #40
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Some important points:

-Continuity/backstory does NOT equal storytelling style. They could do a series with the fast-paced crazy style of the new movies but set it 50 years after Nemesis and DS9. TOS had a very different style to TNG, which was different to DS9. Stargate Universe had a totally different style to SG-1 and Atlantis, despite being a direct continuation of the universe with cameos from SG-1 and SGA characters.

-Continuity won't be handled any better than it was in Enterprise or the new movies anyway. Trek as a whole hangs together in broad strokes only. Just because they mention the Dominion War doesn't mean they won't make blunders or intentional rewrites as seen in the videos in my signature. Old continuity does not mean they'll do it exactly as you imagine the idealized Trekverse in your head.

-A new Trek, regardless of backstory, will have a visual upgrade. If you think a return to Prime-universe Trek means everything will look the way it did, you're wrong. You saw how the Andorians changed between TOS and ENT, how the Klingons changed between TOS/classic movies/TNG/DS9 and Into Darkness, how the Romulans, Trill and others have changed to suit different producers and improved makeup techniques. Now imagine the Cardassians, Bolians, Jem'Hadar or Ferengi being similarly altered - because if they're ever brought back, it will happen.



So, all that taken into account, do you all want the Prime universe backstory to return?
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Old September 8 2013, 03:21 PM   #41
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
Some important points:

-Continuity/backstory does NOT equal storytelling style. They could do a series with the fast-paced crazy style of the new movies but set it 50 years after Nemesis and DS9. TOS had a very different style to TNG, which was different to DS9. Stargate Universe had a totally different style to SG-1 and Atlantis, despite being a direct continuation of the universe with cameos from SG-1 and SGA characters.

-Continuity won't be handled any better than it was in Enterprise or the new movies anyway. Trek as a whole hangs together in broad strokes only. Just because they mention the Dominion War doesn't mean they won't make blunders or intentional rewrites as seen in the videos in my signature. Old continuity does not mean they'll do it exactly as you imagine the idealized Trekverse in your head.

-A new Trek, regardless of backstory, will have a visual upgrade. If you think a return to Prime-universe Trek means everything will look the way it did, you're wrong. You saw how the Andorians changed between TOS and ENT, how the Klingons changed between TOS/classic movies/TNG/DS9 and Into Darkness, how the Romulans, Trill and others have changed to suit different producers and improved makeup techniques. Now imagine the Cardassians, Bolians, Jem'Hadar or Ferengi being similarly altered - because if they're ever brought back, it will happen.



So, all that taken into account, do you all want the Prime universe backstory to return?
Nicely put. That first part is exactly what I've being trying to say. The choice of timeline has nothing to do with the style or tone or quality of any future Trek projects. It's simply a matter of what will best attract a new generation of Trekkies . . ..
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Old September 8 2013, 03:56 PM   #42
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Yeah. People might find they simply have the style of the Abramsverse (and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the style is one of the things that's irked folks) in the Primeverse.

At least for the people who are irked with the style of the new films, it's not messing with "their" timeline.
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

No one choice is predominant over the other but I was under the impression that the BBS was over run with anti-prime-timeliners.
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

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No one choice is predominant over the other but I was under the impression that the BBS was over run with anti-prime-timeliners.
I don't think that's the case at all.

But I'm sure there are others like me who feel the Prime timeline ran its course and that it was time to move onto the next phase of the franchise.
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Old September 10 2013, 04:58 PM   #45
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Re: Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

No one dislikes it, we just think characters are more important than coninuity. New anything-can-happen stories with our favourite characters > unknown characters who happen to live in the same universe as TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.
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