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Old September 4 2013, 11:43 AM   #16
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Re: So I finally found the Bluray sales for ST09..wow..

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Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office.
What's the deal with theater/distributor cuts? I heard they don't get much, and rely on snack sales, but you'd think it's still a significant cost. While supposedly the marketing budgets can be close to the size of production budgets. Yet doubling the production budget is considered a financial success? Sounds like in a way blockbusters are made for dvd lol.

Of course some get closer to tripling the production budget (I thought the new Treks did this), or more.
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Old September 4 2013, 02:03 PM   #17
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Granted this doesn't take into account the marketing budget or the theater/distributor cuts of the box office.
What's the deal with theater/distributor cuts? I heard they don't get much, and rely on snack sales, but you'd think it's still a significant cost. While supposedly the marketing budgets can be close to the size of production budgets. Yet doubling the production budget is considered a financial success? Sounds like in a way blockbusters are made for dvd lol.

Of course some get closer to tripling the production budget (I thought the new Treks did this), or more.

This article explains the theater's cut of the ticket sales: http://themovieblog.com/2007/economi...ts-us-so-much/

In short, the amount varies by movie and how long the movie has been out.


If you look at the link I posted previously, it shows the production budget and box office sales for each movie.
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Old September 4 2013, 02:12 PM   #18
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Re: So I finally found the Bluray sales for ST09..wow..

Those numbers are pretty remarkable. You would think that the studios would be broadcasting those numbers as much as they do the box office totals every week. Is there somewhere on the net that collectively discusses actual Blu-ray/DVD sales?
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Old September 4 2013, 06:46 PM   #19
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Those numbers are pretty remarkable. You would think that the studios would be broadcasting those numbers as much as they do the box office totals every week. Is there somewhere on the net that collectively discusses actual Blu-ray/DVD sales?
You do get some mention of those numbers if you own stock in the parent company of whichever studio, but it's almost like the trades forget a movie ever existed once it leaves theaters.
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Old September 6 2013, 10:50 PM   #20
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I figured as much, but I've heard others mention on other sites that STID was a failure, both in terms of content and budget,
Not in the slightest.
Well, perhaps about that much (saying nothing about content):

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Star Trek Into Darkness: The 2009 Star Trek reboot is one of the most well-liked Summer movies of the past decade, so there was an assumption that sequel Star Trek Into Darkness was going to improve dramatically on its predecessor. That didn't really pan out: the movie earned a bit less at the domestic box office (around $230 million), and its overseas gains weren't quite as big as expected. Ultimately, Star Trek Into Darkness will earn less than $500 million worldwide, which is slightly disappointing.
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Old September 6 2013, 11:21 PM   #21
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You know I love that last bit about the Rest of the World box office gains not being as big as expected.

Lets look at the numbers ST (2009) US$127.95m, STID US$234m. An increase of something like 83%. Do we know what Paramount were expecting the increase to be. Because I suspect that 83% would hardly be considered bad.
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Old September 7 2013, 07:11 AM   #22
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You know I love that last bit about the Rest of the World box office gains not being as big as expected.

Lets look at the numbers ST (2009) US$127.95m, STID US$234m. An increase of something like 83%. Do we know what Paramount were expecting the increase to be. Because I suspect that 83% would hardly be considered bad.
My impression (which might be inaccurate) is that they were looking for something in the 180%–280% range – the type of increase seen after the first movies in the Pirates and Dark Knight series.
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Old September 7 2013, 07:15 AM   #23
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My impression (which might be inaccurate) is that they were looking for something in the 180%–280% range – the type of increase seen after the first movies in the Pirates and Dark Knight series.
Then they were just not very bright to expect that type of growth from a property that has never done well in international markets.
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Old September 7 2013, 04:23 PM   #24
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More than double the amount sold for Star Wars? A lot of fans have refused to buy that because it doesn't have the originals. I imagine STID will not be as successful as ST'09 in light of Paramount/Bad Robot's latest tactics.

Also, there's a caveat to that list. It only captures sales from July 2009 onward. It's missing the first 7 months of sales for The Dark Knight, yet it's at 2.6 million. That's probably the true #1, making Star Trek #4.

I don't think the sales for the format from before that year were as high, but the numbers are probably not exact.

The majority of people who purchase blurays are not Trekkies, and most won't care exactly what the extras are.

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Old September 8 2013, 06:55 AM   #25
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I imagine STID will not be as successful as ST'09 in light of Paramount/Bad Robot's latest tactics.
If STID is not as successful it won't be because of that. People at large are buying the DVD/Blu-Ray to watch the film, not because they are dying to see the Behind-the-Scenes look at Benedict Cumberbatch's hairdo.
I'm not too happy about the commentary decision but I agree with you. A vocal minority is unhappy. Maybe 5% of the people that'd be buying...maybe.
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More than double the amount sold for Star Wars? A lot of fans have refused to buy that because it doesn't have the originals.

Perhaps more accurate to say ReBuy, there's a difference between buying a film on DVD then upgrading to Blu-Ray, and just buying a brand new film on Blu-Ray.
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