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Old September 6 2013, 06:30 PM   #256
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It looks just ok but not a patch on the original. My biggest problem is that Robocop acts like some normal guy in a robot suit, all pissed off and "what did you do to me?!" stuff.
That's kind of a stupid idea. The original has the plausible excuse of head trauma to help explain why Murphy can be easily programmed yet still have the training and experience of a cop.

This Murphy's essentially a Burnt Face Man cosplayer who got over-zealous.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:59 PM   #257
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Not very exciting trailer, a watered down version of the original..and that film is a (cult)classic.
Pretty useless re-make but I am willing to give it a change.
Some good actors there at least.

In my opinion the black color does not suite for Robocop at all.
Looks morel like Street Hawk meets Knight Rider
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Old September 6 2013, 07:15 PM   #258
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Not very exciting trailer, a watered down version of the original..and that film is a (cult)classic.
Pretty useless re-make but I am willing to give it a change.
Some good actors there at least.

I my opinion the black color does not suite for Robocop at all.
Looks morel like Street Hawk meets Knight Rider
Again, (what they've leaked of) the film's story would work far better if it wasn't tied to the dumb idea of a Robocop reboot.

The "public manipulation" concept would work well with the fact that he literally looks like a tacticool, budget Iron Man, using the pop culture fascination with comic superheroes to shape their mass-produced cybercop.
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Old September 6 2013, 07:57 PM   #259
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It looks like it'll be watchable enough and not as slavish-to-the-original as the Total Recall remake (and that cast is probably worth a rental at least. But I'm not sure it adds an awful lot to the original, beyond the fact that Murphy is now aware of his status.

Looks worth keeping an open mind for it. I'll wait and see what reviews and word of mouth are.
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Old September 6 2013, 09:47 PM   #260
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Cyborg, robot, whatever. His neck and back of the skull are artificial in the original and the make up makes it look like it removed parts of his neck, instead of adding onto it.
There's a rather large difference between a cyborg and a robot.

The Six Million Dollar Man, the Original Robocop, the Reboot Robocop, Darth Vader: cyborgs.

C3P0, R2D2, Robbie the Robot: robots.

One has organic parts, one doesn't. And, a major point of both Robocops are the integration of man and machine and the question of humanity.
And what does any of this change about the point that original robocop looks like an artificially enhanced human while the new robocop looks like a man in a suit?
Well. Everything. Since you said the first was a robot, and NOT an artificially enhanced human.
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Old September 6 2013, 10:10 PM   #261
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It looks like it'll be watchable enough and not as slavish-to-the-original as the Total Recall remake (and that cast is probably worth a rental at least. But I'm not sure it adds an awful lot to the original, beyond the fact that Murphy is now aware of his status.

Looks worth keeping an open mind for it. I'll wait and see what reviews and word of mouth are.
Yeah the fact it doesn't star Colin Farrell and isn't directed by Len Wiseman already puts it miles ahead of that remake.
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Old September 6 2013, 10:33 PM   #262
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Who's he gonna get revenge on for what happened to him? Yeah maybe the guy who set up the bomb, but it's hardly the same as targeting the gang members who horrifically gunned him down in cold blood.
Why does he have to get revenge on someone, just because it happened in the original film?

Good remakes / reboots / re-imaginings / re-whatevers take a concept, that may (Star Trek) or may not (Battlestar Galactica) have been done well in their original incarnations, and do something different with it.

The inclusion of Murphy's wife in the RoboCoppization, for lack of a better term, is a really cool spin on things. The best part of RoboCop 2 is exploring the body horror that was perpetrated upon Alex Murphy without his knowing consent; this could be a really interesting take, in that at some point he learns that his wife had him turned into a cyborg.

The other thing to keep in mind is the line, "The illusion of free will." That says everything about where this film is going, I think: What happens in an authoritarian, "You are free to do as we tell you" society? We're asking ourselves that question today in light of PRISM, drones, secret courts, the PATRIOT Act, etc. It's a very relevant theme, and I have faith in Padilha to really explore it.

Just because it doesn't hit the exact same beats as the original doesn't make it bad. Go watch the original film if that's what you want. In any event, "Murphy is out for revenge" isn't the central theme of RoboCop, it's "Murphy regains his humanity." To watch RoboCop and be all "hell yeah, killer robot goes out for blood" is to completely miss the point.
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Old September 6 2013, 10:35 PM   #263
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^With you on Wiseman, but I do like Colin.
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Old September 6 2013, 11:00 PM   #264
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Just because it doesn't hit the exact same beats as the original doesn't make it bad. Go watch the original film if that's what you want. In any event, "Murphy is out for revenge" isn't the central theme of RoboCop, it's "Murphy regains his humanity." To watch RoboCop and be all "hell yeah, killer robot goes out for blood" is to completely miss the point.
I agree it's not the central point.... but I don't think one can deny that there's a very heavy revenge theme in the original movie, which is what really propels the film and makes it so thrilling to watch.

After watching Murphy be so brutally gunned down and humiliated by Clarence and his gang early on, it's hard not to root for him or get a huge thrill from watching him come back later as a badass cyborg and blow them all away.

The remake doesn't need to hit those same exact beats, but hopefully they at least find some way to make Robo a strong and badass presence like in the original.
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Old September 6 2013, 11:20 PM   #265
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Why does he have to get revenge on someone, just because it happened in the original film?
Good remakes / reboots / re-imaginings / re-whatevers take a concept, that may (Star Trek) or may not (Battlestar Galactica) have been done well in their original incarnations, and do something different with it.....
That's true I suppose. I guess all I'm saying is I hope its not just another really bland modern Hollywood bang bang movie like Total Recall was.


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Old September 7 2013, 01:36 AM   #266
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Can't say as the trailer has me excited--looks a bit to sanitised to me--but I got to be honest I'll watch just about anything with the likes of Jackson, Keaton and Oldman in the line-up. Hell I'm usually sold just with Oldman alone.

Again though, it looks very watered down and over explained. I get the feeling there'll be lots of scenes with people explaining things to each other interspersed with expensive action sequences. I like that the original knew what it was and didn't care. It got the dumb action, but it also had surprising depth and subtlety.

That whole sequence with the crash team (which IIRC used an *actual* crash team) and Murphy's death felt raw and horrific, even more so than his torture and execution. From that point on we don't see him again until something like 10 or 20 minutes later. It's all from his perspective and we never see exactly how much is left of him. This new film makes it look like he's still like 80% organic, whereas the original was probably just a brain, the front of his skull along with what's left of his face and probably a spinal cord. Also, the original made a big thing of him slowly reclaiming his lost humanity--that's half the point of the story--but here it looks like it's the other way around. As in he starts out himself but finds the machine is gradually taking over.

I know it's not really fair to make these comparisons, we should really let the new film do it's own thing and the creep of technology is a (slightly) more relevant modern theme than capitalism as an end unto itself. However, if they insist on remaking old films, it's going to be unavoidable and if they really wanted to do their own thing...then they should have done their *own* thing.
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There's a rather large difference between a cyborg and a robot.

The Six Million Dollar Man, the Original Robocop, the Reboot Robocop, Darth Vader: cyborgs.

C3P0, R2D2, Robbie the Robot: robots.

One has organic parts, one doesn't. And, a major point of both Robocops are the integration of man and machine and the question of humanity.
And what does any of this change about the point that original robocop looks like an artificially enhanced human while the new robocop looks like a man in a suit?
Well. Everything. Since you said the first was a robot, and NOT an artificially enhanced human.
I then said his skull is artificial, his face is left. That was the whole point. The make up in the original took away from the human skull, the new make up makes it look just like a head inside a helmet. The silly robot/cyborg semantics was never the point.

Arguing for arguing's sake are we?

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Old September 7 2013, 01:13 PM   #268
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Meh, the black looks dumb. Robocop is a walking tank, not a roboninja. And the glowing red visor, which looks stupid and cliche all on its own, also completely negates any tactical stealth the black suit might give him.

"Where do we shoot him?"

"Aim just below the red line!"

Also, did the re-makers not catch the oh-so-subtle satire of the original? It's like they cast around for yet another tortured "superhero" to make into a super-serious summer action movie and someone saw the Robocop DVD gathering dust on a producer's movie shelf and said, "There's our next fast cash grab, gentlemen! Make that, but with more flash and tacticool gadgetry and 'splosions! No, no, no, don't watch it. Just print off a description from wkipedia or something to get the barest idea of a plot and roll with it."

Um yeah, SWAT teams go into buildings in those useful shiny silver vests and suits... Not.

I don't mind if a new Robocop changes the satire...that was the original's take on the subject. I actually think people are less cynical about the future now than they were in the 70s-90s as they have all the benefits of info-tech on an everyday basis. Same with commercialism, people accept it now because info-tech makes it more personalized and tailored.

I think we'll see not a satire, but an action movie with a secondary criticism of privacy issues and yes, of course they will keep the tortured Murphy angle.
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Old September 7 2013, 02:33 PM   #269
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If the film doesn't have someone utter the line "I'd buy that for a dollar" they can GTFO.
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This new film makes it look like he's still like 80% organic, whereas the original was probably just a brain, the front of his skull along with what's left of his face and probably a spinal cord. Also, the original made a big thing of him slowly reclaiming his lost humanity--that's half the point of the story--but here it looks like it's the other way around. As in he starts out himself but finds the machine is gradually taking over.

There is no spinal cord





The face has also been debated back and forth as just as lab created one too.

So brain and probably just a heart.
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