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Old September 6 2013, 06:26 AM   #31
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Re: Orci strikes back

Except Ellisison was and is an established writer through his profession other than "StarTrek"....Oh I forgot Orci started out with Hercules...
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Old September 6 2013, 06:30 AM   #32
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As for your inexplicable analogy to Syria, I hope you'll notice I made no demands that he comment on the Hindenburg conspiracy or if he knows anything about a second gunman at the JFK assassination, or if Elvis was really a federal agent. I can be reasonable that way.
Judging by your posts in this thread, you seem to be hell-bent on manufacturing a similar type of conspiracy-theory.

Also, you sort of missed the whole point entirely, there.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:37 AM   #33
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Except Ellisison was and is an established writer through his profession other than "StarTrek"....Oh I forgot Orci started out with Hercules...
The point is the fanbase is selective about who they do and don't let back talk them.

Fans needs to get used to it: the barrier is gone. The 'net is allowing direct feedback between fans and creators. And not all creators are going to be nice, polite, or respond the way you think they should or want them to.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:40 AM   #34
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The rest is smug bullshit. Say what you will about plot holes and lens flares and rehashed scenes, but as far as characters and writing, ST09 and STID were spot on.
Not by a long shot.

The writing of Kirk and, to a lesser extent, Uhura is probably the low point of this entire series. McCoy is little more than a Buzz Lightyear who spouts a cute southern catchphrase when you press his button.

The flaws of the story have been covered enough around here to illustrate why it is far from "spot on".
To each his own. As a fan whom watch TOS first run, I feel they nailed Kirk to a tee.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:57 AM   #35
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I too am a first run TOS watcher. I agree with both of you actually because you are both right for different reasons.

The bottom line is that TOS Kirk was developed over a period of time in the television episodes. I can not recall the exact titles but one episode that involved that cloud of "gas" that drained the people of their blood insinuated if not our right said that Kirk was much "younger" back then and made mistakes in times of crisis.

Also throughout episodes there were references made to Kirk's youth and allowing for young ensigns mistakes due to inexperience as was done for him.

That being said AOS Kirk did not have a chance to fully develop due to a lack of time and the fact he was not the only main character on the screen. I feel that they started to show that INTD Kirk had learned a great lesson on humility and what it meant to be selfless.

The great tragedy here is that Kirk is still left without Pike to help him develop some of the everyday skills that a captain needs to run a good ship. Plus Pike was like a father to him IMO and really helped build his character as a person. I think he attempted to guide him towards the correct way to make decisions and did the whole tough love thing.

So I guess I see it both ways. The movie could have used a lot more character development more in line with TOS but just didn't have the time that a weekly television show afforded.

thanks for letting me unload here...

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Old September 6 2013, 07:54 AM   #36
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The great tragedy here is that Kirk is still left without Pike...
I'm more worried about Veena.
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Old September 6 2013, 08:21 AM   #37
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Sometimes we fans take things too far. Many Star Wars fans basically bullied George Lucas out of the franchise...his own franchise and here we are...well some of us trying to do the same with Orci.

Orci isn't perfect but he does seem to have a good heart when it comes to Star Trek. I do believe the man deserves some respect even if you hated STiD.
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Old September 6 2013, 10:27 AM   #38
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Trekweb are desperately trying to become The Daily Fail of Trek news sites.

As for Orci, I don't blame him for what he said. The level of discourse on Trekmovie is barely above Youtube. He's usually a lot more patient with fans there than I'd be.
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Old September 6 2013, 11:19 AM   #39
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Trekweb are desperately trying to become The Daily Fail of Trek news sites.

As for Orci, I don't blame him for what he said. The level of discourse on Trekmovie is barely above Youtube. He's usually a lot more patient with fans there than I'd be.

You mean the Daily Mail...haha
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Old September 6 2013, 12:38 PM   #40
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Wtf Robby. So a couple hundred people at Vegas Con 2013 vote STID to be the worst film in the franchise.
Eh? STID may have its problems, but seriously, if those people think it's the worst Trek film ever, they obviously haven't seen the pile of excrement that was Generations, or Nemesis.
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Old September 6 2013, 01:06 PM   #41
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Wtf Robby. So a couple hundred people at Vegas Con 2013 vote STID to be the worst film in the franchise.
Eh? STID may have its problems, but seriously, if those people think it's the worst Trek film ever, they obviously haven't seen the pile of excrement that was Generations, or Nemesis.
Attendants of the Las Vegas Convention this year ranked the films.
http://badassdigest.com/2013/08/11/t...rek-con-goers/

Thread about topic here
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=222553

To which Simon Pegg replied "fuck you" to the haters of the film.
Video here http://collider.com/simon-pegg-nick-frost-the-worlds-end-interview/


Orci lashed out in response to a completely different article on Trekmovie. However he brings up Simon Pegg's fuck you statement. I assumed he saw the ranking of STID at the Vegas Con and wanted to address the haters on a broad scale with his fuck off comments.
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Old September 6 2013, 01:39 PM   #42
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Yet another reason why it's a mistake for writers to engage with sci-fi fandom, ever. Reminds me of the world of shit that RDM took from the Battlestar fans over the years for daring to be open about his writing process.

BUT HE DIDN'T PLAN EVERYTHING BEFOREHAND, WAAAGGH!!!!!!!

Bottom line: internet fandom is a morass of shitty, petty people. It's best to ignore them because no one looks good after an internet bitch session, not the writer and certainly not the fans.
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Old September 6 2013, 01:45 PM   #43
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Wow, just what is it with those guys. They knew the fanbase was very vocal. Now some of them don't like the film and the writer reacts all butthurt. That's hilarious.

And the "You don't like my film. But the film made a shitload of money. So go fuck yourselves!" attitude is extremely classy.
I also love when he resorts to "That's why I'm writing movies and you don't." What a horrible attitude. He may be rich and successful, but he's still an asshole.

Rick Berman heard way worse criticism during his time with Trek, and he never resorted to anything like that.
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Old September 6 2013, 02:22 PM   #44
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Since I work a job that involves dealing with the public, I can understand the desire to simply snap off and scream "go fuck yourself" to anyone you perceive to be an idiot, so I suppose one can not really blame Orci for his outburst, in principle. He is after all only human.

Although, he should know better than to be interacting with internet fandom. The internet is nothing new, it's been around. And many producers of various shows/movies have tried their hand at interacting with their fans online, and it rarely turns out well. Internet fans bask in the sense of anonymity being online provides and don't hold back from their criticism. And in some cases, they intentionally act ruder than is necessary. This is well known and well documented. Indeed Orci himself has been dealing with Trek fans for five years now and has spent close to a decade with internet fandom in general thanks to Lost. He should know what to expect and develop thicker skin.

If this were 2006, when Lost was starting to lose its appeal and Bad Robot first got involved with Star Trek, I could excuse this outburst as an honest reaction to not knowing what to expect online. But now, he should know better and if "Fuck off, fuck you, go fuck yourself" is the only way he can deal with fans, he should withdraw from interacting with the fans. It makes him look a childish amateur, especially compared to Brannon Braga who can laugh and make jokes about his reputation among Trek fandom.
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Old September 6 2013, 02:33 PM   #45
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Of course people will put his quotes out of context so if you never read that site you have no idea about the way some people talk to him as if they were talking with their 14 years old buddy. For what is worth, I've read other comments by him and he had always been polite even with people that didn't like the movie. But if you are talking with immature entitled kids you either ignore them (best option tbh) or you use their own language and put them to their place.

This kind of things are a reminder that writers and cast shouldn't interact with the fans so much because when they do it can't end well. It's better to keep some boundaries and distance.
Look at the recent wank over Zachary Quinto saying that he doesn't like slash fanfiction.
A lot of people got offended by him expressing a personal opinion when really if someone is being rude and disrespectful is the fans that feel so entitled to keep asking him if he likes fanfictions where he's depicted in sexual situations with one of his best friends.
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