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Old September 6 2013, 04:53 AM   #16
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Wtf Robby. So a couple hundred people at Vegas Con 2013 vote STID to be the worst film in the franchise. Then you retaliate by going on to a fansite to rant and bitch about your bruised feelings.
Orci was responding to the moronic article someone posted on TrekMovie.com a couple of days ago about Star Trek supposedly being "broken." That's why he says "The article above..." etc.
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Old September 6 2013, 04:56 AM   #17
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Goyer's totally sleeved. He doesn't have to tell people to fuck off.
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Old September 6 2013, 05:10 AM   #18
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Why are people still bitching / brown-nosing the film?
The space cows haven't come home yet.

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So the take away of this is: If you didn't like Into Darkness and you raise valid points about it's many flaws in a fairly civilized way your points are all invalid. Because STD made money. So you can FUCK THE FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
Nope. That's not it.
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Old September 6 2013, 05:16 AM   #19
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Well, fandom can suck sometimes. It's got to be a chore trying to contribute anything to a franchise. You'll end up cheesing somebody off, for sure.

I do agree that Trek has become 'one note'. EVERYTHING Trek now seems to revolve around TWOK. Yeah, it was a great movie. But dang it, there have been great movies made that have nothing in common with Khan, or a Khan-like character. I don't care if they go explore or not ever again in Trek, but could they explore a different plot that doesn't have to do with revenge?
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Old September 6 2013, 05:22 AM   #20
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Well, fandom can suck sometimes. It's got to be a chore trying to contribute anything to a franchise. You'll end up cheesing somebody off, for sure.

I do agree that Trek has become 'one note'. EVERYTHING Trek now seems to revolve around TWOK. Yeah, it was a great movie. But dang it, there have been great movies made that have nothing in common with Khan, or a Khan-like character. I don't care if they go explore or not ever again in Trek, but could they explore a different plot that doesn't have to do with revenge?
When Trek did break out of the revenge story mold, excepting TVH most of those movies are not like by fans
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Old September 6 2013, 05:24 AM   #21
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Well if folks can bitch and complain about something he worked on, he's got as much right to snap back at them. It's not a one way street. Could he have been more tactful, sure. Did he have to be? No.
It slays me that when Kevin Smith lips off to fans knocking his stuff, people call him a crybaby, but if Orci does it, he is righteously defending himself.

He should be happy enough to take the money & beam out already. Christ, he got paid for these two movies and COWBOYS & ALIENS, isn't that enough of a snow job for one century?
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Old September 6 2013, 05:26 AM   #22
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Why are people still bitching / brown-nosing the film?
The space cows haven't come home yet.

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So the take away of this is: If you didn't like Into Darkness and you raise valid points about it's many flaws in a fairly civilized way your points are all invalid. Because STD made money. So you can FUCK THE FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
Nope. That's not it.
Are you sure about that? And if so, can you use more than single syllable words in a somewhat longer sentence (take your time, i only check this part of the board every few days or so.)
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Old September 6 2013, 05:31 AM   #23
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When Trek did break out of the revenge story mold, excepting TVH most of those movies are not like by fans
Oh, Fuck The Fans!

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Old September 6 2013, 05:42 AM   #24
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Well if folks can bitch and complain about something he worked on, he's got as much right to snap back at them. It's not a one way street. Could he have been more tactful, sure. Did he have to be? No.
It slays me that when Kevin Smith lips off to fans knocking his stuff, people call him a crybaby, but if Orci does it, he is righteously defending himself.

He should be happy enough to take the money & beam out already. Christ, he got paid for these two movies and COWBOYS & ALIENS, isn't that enough of a snow job for one century?
Hey, Kevin Smith can tell the fans off too. I find it funny when fans get themselves in a twitch over stuff like this.

Had Harlan Ellison when on one of his Trek rants, we'd all chuckle and say "oh that's just Harlan".
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Old September 6 2013, 05:50 AM   #25
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For all the noise about it, Orci posted very little and nothing of substance. I was hoping for longer posts and more of them. I was hoping for a reply about the the Blu-ray extras going to retailer exclusives. I'm still waiting for someone involved to say something about that, such as "We're very sorry but we like money more than we like you." So overall, a big yawn.
Er...what? Why would Orci even talk about the Blu-Ray extras-controversy, other than as an aside? He only wrote the movie; he has nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor is he an executive at Paramount Home Video.

He has nothing to "reply" for, here -- any responsibilities he once had towards the film were discharged in the screenwriting and production stages, which are totally different topics of conversation.
Orci responded to other posts under the article, and, if you didn't notice, he was asked there about the Blu-ray issue. He could have replied, "I only wrote the movie. I have nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor am I an executive at Paramount Home Video" but he didn't do even that. He didn't touch it. He could also have mixed sympathy with insult to say, "I feel for you as a fan myself, but I didn't even know about it. You poor fucks were screwed. I'm just sorry I didn't get a piece of it in my contract."
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Old September 6 2013, 06:02 AM   #26
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Orci responded to other posts under the article, and, if you didn't notice, he was asked there about the Blu-ray issue. He could have replied, "I only wrote the movie. I have nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor am I an executive at Paramount Home Video" but he didn't do even that. He didn't touch it. He could also have mixed sympathy with insult to say, "I feel for you as a fan myself, but I didn't even know about it. You poor fucks were screwed. I'm just sorry I didn't get a piece of it in my contract."
Maybe he didn't notice it? Or one of a hundred other reasons aside from the one you seem so intent upon ascribing to him without any real actual evidence -- the bottom line is, we simply don't know why he hasn't responded to this question, and to insist upon other motivations without proof goes beyond the bounds of reasonable, civilized discourse.

Orci has about as much ethical accountability on this issue as you would if someone demanded that you, for example, condemn the Assad regime's use of chemical weapons on civilians in Syria. As in, none whatsoever. It's not his problem. If he wants to comment on it, fine; if not, that's his own private affair.

Perhaps he is ducking the question, but even if he is, again, he is under absolutely zero moral obligation to supply a response -- he had nothing to do with the authoring of the Blu-Ray, and bears no responsibility for those decisions, which were made by the studio above his head. Period.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:04 AM   #27
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So the take away of this is: If you didn't like Into Darkness and you raise valid points about it's many flaws in a fairly civilized way your points are all invalid. Because STD made money. So you can FUCK THE FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
Nope. That's not it.
Are you sure about that? And if so, can you use more than single syllable words in a somewhat longer sentence (take your time, i only check this part of the board every few days or so.)
Reasonably so, O Multisyllabic One - it's not quite as described by MrJ above. But don't take my word for it; see for yourself. The editorial piece cited by Gabe Koerner at TrekWeb and its attached comment thread may be found entire at the following link:

http://trekmovie.com/2013/09/01/star...how-to-fix-it/
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Old September 6 2013, 06:05 AM   #28
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For all the noise about it, Orci posted very little and nothing of substance. I was hoping for longer posts and more of them. I was hoping for a reply about the the Blu-ray extras going to retailer exclusives. I'm still waiting for someone involved to say something about that, such as "We're very sorry but we like money more than we like you." So overall, a big yawn.
Er...what? Why would Orci even talk about the Blu-Ray extras-controversy, other than as an aside? He only wrote the movie; he has nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor is he an executive at Paramount Home Video.

He has nothing to "reply" for, here -- any responsibilities he once had towards the film were discharged in the screenwriting and production stages, which are totally different topics of conversation.
Orci responded to other posts under the article, and, if you didn't notice, he was asked there about the Blu-ray issue. He could have replied, "I only wrote the movie. I have nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor am I an executive at Paramount Home Video" but he didn't do even that. He didn't touch it. He could also have mixed sympathy with insult to say, "I feel for you as a fan myself, but I didn't even know about it. You poor fucks were screwed. I'm just sorry I didn't get a piece of it in my contract."
Gosh, I hope Orci wouldn't respond with the "mixed sympathy with insult" line from above but I guess, according to the posts in this thread, he would be in his rights to do so.
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Old September 6 2013, 06:15 AM   #29
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Everyone's talking about Orci.

http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/star-...ter-rude-fans/

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/star...ce-of-his-mind
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Old September 6 2013, 06:16 AM   #30
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Orci responded to other posts under the article, and, if you didn't notice, he was asked there about the Blu-ray issue. He could have replied, "I only wrote the movie. I have nothing whatsoever to do with its home video release, or any of the marketing decisions that went into it, nor am I an executive at Paramount Home Video" but he didn't do even that. He didn't touch it. He could also have mixed sympathy with insult to say, "I feel for you as a fan myself, but I didn't even know about it. You poor fucks were screwed. I'm just sorry I didn't get a piece of it in my contract."
Maybe he didn't notice it? Or one of a hundred other reasons aside from the one you seem so intent upon ascribing to him without any real actual evidence -- the bottom line is, we simply don't know why he hasn't responded to this question, and to insist upon other motivations without proof goes beyond the bounds of reasonable, civilized discourse.

Orci has about as much ethical accountability on this issue as you would if someone demanded that you, for example, condemn the Assad regime's use of chemical weapons on civilians in Syria. As in, none whatsoever. It's not his problem. If he wants to comment on it, fine; if not, that's his own private affair.

Perhaps he is ducking the question, but even if he is, again, he is under absolutely zero moral obligation to supply a response -- he had nothing to do with the authoring of the Blu-Ray, and bears no responsibility for those decisions, which were made by the studio above his head. Period.
I only said I was sorry he didn't respond to the question. I also said I hope someone involved [with the Blu-ray] will address the issue. Your speculation on why he did or didn't, what he knows or doesn't know is just as [in]valid as mine. And I think someone as close to the movie as he was would hear about it. I also understand that he would not comment if it was not his business to do so. I can still be sorry he doesn't have loose lips when they're already loose enough to use expletives at fans. Surely not the best of times for him.

As for your inexplicable analogy to Syria, I hope you'll notice I made no demands that he comment on the Hindenburg conspiracy or if he knows anything about a second gunman at the JFK assassination, or if Elvis was really a federal agent. I can be reasonable that way.
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