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Old September 5 2013, 03:29 PM   #16
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Re: 5 reasons Into Darkness is a great Trek film

I can tell that "poll" was BS, because they left out Gigli.
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Old September 5 2013, 07:31 PM   #17
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Just saw this in my Facebook news feed. It's nice to see something positive written about the movie after endless nonsense citing that bullshit 100-fans-from-15,000-comvention-goers poll from Las Vegas.
There's been plenty positive written about it, before and after.
I personally found the action and villains underwhelming and the resonance minimal.

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Me? I didn't like how the film handled the villains. Khan was underutilized as Kirk's foil, and Marcus was understated as a bad guy. By the time we realize just how much of an a-hole Marcus is, his head's getting squashed.
Strongly agree on the first but thought Marcus was (though underdeveloped) too much of a "moustache-twirler."

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Just looking at the Rotten Tomatoes rating...STID finished 7th with an 87%. However, it terms of wide release movies, it finished 1st. There's something to be said in this day and age of a blockbuster action movie that can actually tick all the boxes of a good film and be noticed, when almost everyone out there wants to create a backlash against success
Have to disagree, it seem to me that many if not most financially successful films these days also get good reviews.
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Old September 5 2013, 07:40 PM   #18
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Strongly agree on the first but thought Marcus was (though underdeveloped) too much of a "moustache-twirler."
I always thought Khan from the Wrath of Khan was a bit of a"moustache-twirler." An over the top one dimensional bad guy. That really isn't a criticism just more of an observation. Hollywood has many examples of clear-cut, black and white good guys vs, bad guys and in TWOK Khan was a simple bad guy.

I don't mind one dimensional characters as long as they are acted well and I think Weller did a good job with Marcus.
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Old September 5 2013, 08:24 PM   #19
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Yes, Galaxy Quest is one of the better Star Trek movies.

Also, Master and Commander: The Far Side of The World.
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I think MASH is one of the better Star Trek movies.
Maid in Manhattan is and always will be the best Prime Universe Star Trek movie.
Don't forget the original Trek movie, Horatio Hornblower. Gregory Peck is still the best Trek captain, ever.
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Old September 5 2013, 08:28 PM   #20
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Old September 5 2013, 08:31 PM   #21
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If the poll was actually fair, instead of 100 hard-core angry uber-fans at a Trek convention done by an equally angry uber-fan, then I wouldn't say it's bullshit either.

But it's not fair, or accurate, and simply is bullshit.
Exactly. What's annoying is the way everybody is treating this so-called "poll" as though it actually reflects the views of all us old-school Trek fans . . . .
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Old September 5 2013, 08:39 PM   #22
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Have to disagree, it seem to me that many if not most financially successful films these days also get good reviews.
That 87% is the ranking of critics, 91% of people who saw it (229,573), liked it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star...into_darkness/
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Old September 5 2013, 09:05 PM   #23
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Maybe the reason financially successful movies are getting good reviews is because they are... good?

I am of the opinion that people are more discriminating with how they spend their money on movies, given that a movie's theater run is much shorter and the home theater experience is much better and more cost effective these days. People are more willing to open their wallets for a movie that is deemed "worth it".
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Old September 5 2013, 09:18 PM   #24
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I always thought Khan from the Wrath of Khan was a bit of a"moustache-twirler." An over the top one dimensional bad guy. That really isn't a criticism just more of an observation. Hollywood has many examples of clear-cut, black and white good guys vs, bad guys and in TWOK Khan was a simple bad guy.
I agree. If it hadn't been for the actor, MontalKhan would have long since been forgotten. I think Marcus was much the same. The character himself was not well conceived, but Weller made the best of it. But I think that's the trend with most great cinematic villains. There are very few who start out great on the page.
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Old September 5 2013, 09:39 PM   #25
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Steel Magnolias is the best Star Trek film, and Faraci would have made damn sure that finished above Into Darkness as well.
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Old September 5 2013, 10:55 PM   #26
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Yes, Galaxy Quest is one of the better Star Trek movies.

Also, Master and Commander: The Far Side of The World.
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Maid in Manhattan is and always will be the best Prime Universe Star Trek movie.
Don't forget the original Trek movie, Horatio Hornblower. Gregory Peck is still the best Trek captain, ever.
With Curt Jurgens as the Romulan Commander and Theo Bikel as Centurion.
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Old September 8 2013, 03:33 AM   #27
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Strongly agree on the first but thought Marcus was (though underdeveloped) too much of a "moustache-twirler."
I always thought Khan from the Wrath of Khan was a bit of a"moustache-twirler." An over the top one dimensional bad guy. That really isn't a criticism just more of an observation. Hollywood has many examples of clear-cut, black and white good guys vs, bad guys and in TWOK Khan was a simple bad guy.
He was evil and even at times maniacal but I thought he also had significant pathos, notably "Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress" and the buried alive monologue.
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Old September 8 2013, 04:03 AM   #28
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I thought Into Darkness held a great a message, and was neatly wrapped off with Kirk's speech at the end of the film, about giving in to certain feelings can lead one "Into Darkness". My only complaint was I felt the message got lost at some point about 2/3 through the run.

Opening Sequence:

I have to agree that (now that I recall) this was a lot like a TOS episode feel, and I love the way the Enterprise warped off with the main musical score.

Above Average Villains:

Eh, yes and no. Cumberbatch was awesome, but he is not a good Khan, he is a good John Harrison. I always enjoy a good Peter Weller, and his character was a pleasant surprise.

Emotional Resonance:

I thought the Kirk/Pike scenes were wonderful and the same with Kirk/Spock.

Fun Factor:

Yeah this is pretty much my number one as well, it's just a fun ride that is exciting throughout. Love the effects and the variety of action, though I always want more ship on ship battles (like something out of Nemesis, one of the redeeming qualities of that film).
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Old September 8 2013, 04:14 AM   #29
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King Lear is the best Star Trek movie ever made.
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Strongly agree on the first but thought Marcus was (though underdeveloped) too much of a "moustache-twirler."
I always thought Khan from the Wrath of Khan was a bit of a"moustache-twirler." An over the top one dimensional bad guy. That really isn't a criticism just more of an observation. Hollywood has many examples of clear-cut, black and white good guys vs, bad guys and in TWOK Khan was a simple bad guy.
He was evil and even at times maniacal but I thought he also had significant pathos, notably "Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress" and the buried alive monologue.
I agree he had a lot of pathos. He's the perfect villain. He's not - nor ever was - a complex villain. And yet he wasn't quite two-dimensional either. In addition to the pathos, he was imbued with believable motivations for his villainy, and Montaban gave it that extra push. But that film was never about Khan. They developed his reasoning and why he was such a threat early in the film.. not two dimensional but not overly-complex - but they never forgot that the film itself was about Kirk, and Khan was just enough of a wedge to push Kirk from his complacency back to a great captain who needed to learn the toughest lesson of all: the no-win scenario. The film was never about Khan.
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