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Old September 5 2013, 05:45 AM   #16
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Uh... no. Into Darkness is not the highest grossing film of the franchise. Star Trek 2009 is (At least domestically.)
Didn't say it was in the U.S. Believe it or not, it's not "The U.S. or nothing." So yes, highest grossing film.
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Old September 5 2013, 05:52 AM   #17
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I was also quite surprised/aghast at Mr. Orci's behavior towards the fan comments on the site. Has it been proved that that was indeed him writing and not an imposter?

Even before the 2009 film, I was surprised he spent so much time engaging with/listening to the fans. I'd always thought that that was a bad idea - and that professionals and fans should keep a respectful distance but he seemed determined to blur that line.

I knew this would end badly...
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Old September 5 2013, 05:56 AM   #18
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Uh... no. Into Darkness is not the highest grossing film of the franchise. Star Trek 2009 is (At least domestically.)
Didn't say it was in the U.S. Believe it or not, it's not "The U.S. or nothing." So yes, highest grossing film.
But it's probably not the most profitable - considering the heavy promotional costs Paramount spent this time around promoting the film overseas. If Into Darkness was a bona-fide home-run, we would have heard news of the third film being green-lit by now.
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Old September 5 2013, 05:59 AM   #19
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I was also quite surprised/aghast at Mr. Orci's behavior towards the fan comments on the site. Has it been proved that that was indeed him writing and not an imposter?

Even before the 2009 film, I was surprised he spent so much time engaging with/listening to the fans. I'd always thought that that was a bad idea - and that professionals and fans should keep a respectful distance but he seemed determined to blur that line.

I knew this would end badly...
Well he's made himself the story, if nothing else.
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Old September 5 2013, 06:09 AM   #20
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There's a certain type of fan that has a possessive attitude towards Trek. They have a sense of entitlement and when the screenwriter engages them on an equal level, I think it's bad for both parties.

In a recent interview, Connor Trinneer actually had a really perceptive view on fans and how to treat them. He reasoned out their motivations and desires and adjusted his behavior toward them so that his encounters with them were beneficial to both. (Sorry if this is off topic!)

Shame about Mr. Orci!
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Old September 5 2013, 07:15 AM   #21
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Uh... no. Into Darkness is not the highest grossing film of the franchise. Star Trek 2009 is (At least domestically.)
The world's a lot bigger than your country.
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Old September 5 2013, 07:47 AM   #22
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I used to really like trekmovie, but has waned in recent years. There are often long periods of time with no updates. They used to do science Saturday and discuss non- trek movies. There used to be a lot of interesting content to keep you interested until Trek news popped up, but it has gone down hill. That's not so say that I agree with the guy about STID, though I do think that JJ Trek has its issues.
Am sorry, I know this may be off topic but what the heck is on your Avatar?

You are glamorising Killing an actor because you don't want to see him in a film role. Please I find that disturbing and it is doesn't make you look cool. All is does is confirm how messed up many Nolan fans are.


You guys need to stop playing God with peoples lives. Has it ever occurred to you that neither The Joker, Batman or even Star Trek is real? Ben Affleck is actually a real person, he has a wife and 3 kids. there is no need to kill this man just because you don't want to see him play a fictional character like Batman.


Back to the topic. Star Trek is far from broken but it is showing a few cracks. A few cracks that can be fixed with a great film in 2016.
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Old September 5 2013, 07:58 AM   #23
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They were always a JJ Abrams Trek advocacy website. I guess they're still coming to terms that STID failed at bringing in new fans w/out alienating too many old fans the way the first movie did. Which was basically the reboots mission statement.
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Old September 5 2013, 08:18 AM   #24
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serenitytrek1 wrote: View Post
Chuck Finley wrote: View Post
I used to really like trekmovie, but has waned in recent years. There are often long periods of time with no updates. They used to do science Saturday and discuss non- trek movies. There used to be a lot of interesting content to keep you interested until Trek news popped up, but it has gone down hill. That's not so say that I agree with the guy about STID, though I do think that JJ Trek has its issues.
Am sorry, I know this may be off topic but what the heck is on your Avatar?

You are glamorising Killing an actor because you don't want to see him in a film role. Please I find that disturbing and it is doesn't make you look cool. All is does is confirm how messed up many Nolan fans are.


You guys need to stop playing God with peoples lives. Has it ever occurred to you that neither The Joker, Batman or even Star Trek is real? Ben Affleck is actually a real person, he has a wife and 3 kids. there is no need to kill this man just because you don't want to see him play a fictional character like Batman.


Back to the topic. Star Trek is far from broken but it is showing a few cracks. A few cracks that can be fixed with a great film in 2016.
I think we should allow Chuck respond to the questions posed about his avatar before pursuing this line of discussion.

Chuck, are you advocating the killing of Ben Affleck as your avatar reads?
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Old September 5 2013, 08:18 AM   #25
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^Massive increases in overseas revenue would seem to completely negate that statement
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Old September 5 2013, 08:36 AM   #26
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...highest grossing film of the franchise is a sign that Star Trek is "no longer popular" and "needs fixing,"...

Uh... no. Into Darkness is not the highest grossing film of the franchise. Star Trek 2009 is (At least domestically.)

Though Into Darkness certainly wasn't any kind of flop, it certainly didn't do as well as it was expected to. And when compared to ST2009, STiD cost more to make, it was shown on more IMAX screens, and was in 3D resulting in the more expensive 3D tickets being sold. It still did worse than Star Trek 2009 did. Especially in this day and age where sequels are supposed to out perform their predecessors, then it is imposable to deny that Star Trek Into Darkness wasn't quite what Paramount was hoping for.

Then again every big budget movie this summer did worse than was expected. Except, Iron Man 3 which did about as well as was expected.

At the worldwide box-office, it is quite possible that Star Trek 2009 would have beaten STiD if Trek 09 had been released in 3D and IMAX 3D.

STiD didn't do that well domestically and am sure the film would not even be in the top 5 Trek films when you take away the 3D and IMAX 3D price tags and adjust the TOS films by inflation.



According to box-office mojo this is where all the films stands

1 Star Trek (2009): $281,911,,800

2 Star Trek: The Motion Picture Par: $267,421,900

3 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Par: $235,578,900

4 Star Trek Into Darkness Par. $222,573,400

5 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan: $219,023,700

6 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Par: $185,715,400

7 Star Trek: First Contact Par: $169,249,700

8 Star Trek: Generations Par: $147,250,100

9 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country:$146,029,200

10 Star Trek: Insurrection Par: $119,941,300

11 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier: $107,313,400

12 Star Trek: Nemesis: $60,059,900



STiD ranks 4th, however if you were to take out the inflated 3D and IMAX prices of the film, am sure the film's gross would be around $180,000,000-$195,000,000 or even less. It is quite possible that TWOK and TSOS made more money than STiD domestically.

STiD may technically be the 6th highest grossing Trek film and that's not great.
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Old September 5 2013, 02:04 PM   #27
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1. Star Trek: Into Darkness (2013) $462 million 2. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) $447.1 million 3. Star Trek (2009) $419.8 million 4. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) $283.4 million 5. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) $234.2 million 6. Star Trek: First Contact (1996) $223.2 million 7. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984) $195.5 million 8. Star Trek: Generations (1994) $189.1 million 9. Star Trek: Insurrection (1998) $168.8 million 10. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) $166.1 million 11. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989) $132.2 million 12. Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) $87.4 million Source: 1701News

Above you see the Top Star Trek World Box Office - Adjusted For Inflation chart. I have updated STID's box office figure to its current one. It's likely to top out at around $470 million.

But here's the thing, it'll likely make another $100million in DVD sales and maybe the same again in blu-ray sales. And you know they will be issuing different versions on different formats for years to come.

STID is likely to be one of Paramounts most profitable movies over the long run. I'd make the same point about Star Trek Nemesis - sure it was beaten by Maid in Manhatten, but I'd bet the house that Star Trek Nemesis will have sold more DVD's and Blu-Rays than MIM.

As the above chart proves, Star Trek Into Darkness is a success. Ignore the crazy fans who say otherwise!!
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Old September 5 2013, 02:09 PM   #28
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Trekmovie.com was pro reboot ran by Anthony Pascale who posted here often but he has since gone AWOL and this article was posted by someone else. His views probably do not reflect APs

You cannot compare inflation adjusted movies from 1979 onward to todays STID gross. Two completely different eras and totally different marketplaces etc due to a number of reasons.... (need to prepare a statement for whenever this gets brought up I think )
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Old September 5 2013, 04:16 PM   #29
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HaplessCrewman wrote: View Post
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Chuck Finley wrote: View Post
I used to really like trekmovie, but has waned in recent years. There are often long periods of time with no updates. They used to do science Saturday and discuss non- trek movies. There used to be a lot of interesting content to keep you interested until Trek news popped up, but it has gone down hill. That's not so say that I agree with the guy about STID, though I do think that JJ Trek has its issues.
Am sorry, I know this may be off topic but what the heck is on your Avatar?

You are glamorising Killing an actor because you don't want to see him in a film role. Please I find that disturbing and it is doesn't make you look cool. All is does is confirm how messed up many Nolan fans are.


You guys need to stop playing God with peoples lives. Has it ever occurred to you that neither The Joker, Batman or even Star Trek is real? Ben Affleck is actually a real person, he has a wife and 3 kids. there is no need to kill this man just because you don't want to see him play a fictional character like Batman.


Back to the topic. Star Trek is far from broken but it is showing a few cracks. A few cracks that can be fixed with a great film in 2016.
I think we should allow Chuck respond to the questions posed about his avatar before pursuing this line of discussion.

Chuck, are you advocating the killing of Ben Affleck as your avatar reads?
I saw it online, I thought it was funny, I used it. I'm skeptical about Affleck playing Batman, but I'm willing to give him a chance. I love Nolan as a director and creator, but I'm not as rabid as you think. I'm not advocating actually killing Ben Affleck, I just thought it was a funny meme.
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Old September 5 2013, 04:46 PM   #30
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I don't see how anyone can think Star Trek is broken. It was broken after Nemesis and Enterprise. Trek09 gave the franchise a much needed retooling and boost. I say Star Trek is thriving once more. STiD was a fun and great Trek movie. My only complaint is that the powers that be should not wait 4 years to put out the next movie!
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