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View Poll Results: Which class of ship is more powerful?
Galaxy class 26 54.17%
D'deridex class 22 45.83%
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Old August 22 2013, 02:14 AM   #61
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Re: D'deridex class Warbird vs Galaxy class

In Tin Man the Enterprise got crippled by the Tin Man itself, and the Warbird was destroyed for being too close when it's defense mechanism was activated.
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Old August 22 2013, 02:08 PM   #62
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Yes, but it didn't help that they lost 70% of their shields after just a few seconds.
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Old August 22 2013, 06:59 PM   #63
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Shield loss is indeed usually more gradual, but "two shots to zero" isn't all that different from the "five shots to zero" of the tiny NOMAD or the "three shots to zero" of the Borg. And how many shots did Chang really get off before the E-A lost shields over Khitomer? Despite having to space out his shots for stealth.

Our heroes don't typically appear flabbergasted when just a handful of attack runs reduce their defenses to nil. "Prolonged slugfests" is the impression we get from watching TNG, yes - but we often forget the E-D tended to fight grossly inferior opponents (which also explains why Picard wasn't particularly worried about firing back or things of that nature).

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Old August 23 2013, 02:57 AM   #64
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Shield loss is indeed usually more gradual, but "two shots to zero" isn't all that different from the "five shots to zero" of the tiny NOMAD or the "three shots to zero" of the Borg. And how many shots did Chang really get off before the E-A lost shields over Khitomer? Despite having to space out his shots for stealth.

Our heroes don't typically appear flabbergasted when just a handful of attack runs reduce their defenses to nil. "Prolonged slugfests" is the impression we get from watching TNG, yes - but we often forget the E-D tended to fight grossly inferior opponents (which also explains why Picard wasn't particularly worried about firing back or things of that nature).

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I never got the impression the Enterprise-A had shields. I mean, what was the point of shields, to protect the hull. Well the Enterprise-A's "shields" didn't do a good job at that.
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Old August 23 2013, 03:04 AM   #65
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Yeah given each shot did physically damage the hull, despite shields being up, 23rd century shields left a lot to be desired.
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Old August 23 2013, 11:03 PM   #66
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Hmm... We count the slight non-penetrating charring as a sign of the hull being "not protected"?

I'd rather argue that if that is what you get from unprotected hits, photon torpedoes shouldn't be classified as weapons!

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Old August 28 2013, 05:22 AM   #67
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Just found this again on my Flickr page. Regardless of the variable size shown on screen, this illustrates the original intent in terms of relative size of the two ships. The Warbird is HUGE and easily has more volume than several Galaxy class ships.
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Old August 28 2013, 04:01 PM   #68
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I've oft-wanted to make an MSD for the D'Deridex based on that diagram (which was done by Mr. Probert IIRC.)
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Old August 28 2013, 05:02 PM   #69
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Each time I see this size comparison of Andrew Probert I can't help but wonder: Was the Romulan Warbird this big in size to actually accomodate personnel and cargo or was it basically full of "hot air" to make an intimidating impression on any adversary of the Romulan Star Empire?

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Old August 28 2013, 06:13 PM   #70
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I'd wager a little of both. Surely a smaller ship could have done the same job, but not made such a powerful statement.
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Old August 30 2013, 04:21 PM   #71
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Perhaps the D'deridex was made so large due to the fact the Bird-of-prey classes from TOS and ENT don't exaclty have the most intimidating design......
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Old September 4 2013, 12:28 PM   #72
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Re: D'deridex class Warbird vs Galaxy class

Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Each time I see this size comparison of Andrew Probert I can't help but wonder: Was the Romulan Warbird this big in size to actually accomodate personnel and cargo or was it basically full of "hot air" to make an intimidating impression on any adversary of the Romulan Star Empire?

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Some of my favorite TNG eps involve the standoffs between D'deridex and E-D, whether or not any shots were fired. The intimidation factor was very real, and IMO the driving force behind the in-universe design.
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Old September 4 2013, 03:15 PM   #73
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austen_pierce wrote: View Post
Robert Comsol wrote: View Post
Each time I see this size comparison of Andrew Probert I can't help but wonder: Was the Romulan Warbird this big in size to actually accomodate personnel and cargo or was it basically full of "hot air" to make an intimidating impression on any adversary of the Romulan Star Empire?

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Some of my favorite TNG eps involve the standoffs between D'deridex and E-D, whether or not any shots were fired. The intimidation factor was very real, and IMO the driving force behind the in-universe design.
Probably so. I remember the first time I saw that debut episode for the D'deridex, it was indeed an intimidating ship.
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Old April 6 2014, 02:34 PM   #74
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Which flagship is more powerful, larger, and faster?
More powerful? I'd say that they are even, more dependent on the officers and crew for that. Or the situation.

Larger? Definately the D'deridex.

Faster? Galaxy is far faster.

Yes, I've read the entire thread, alot of good stuff here. Thought I'd anser your original question kgartm.

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Old April 10 2014, 05:18 AM   #75
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Beware the 'scary' D'deridex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQUHJyjlGew
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